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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:32 pm
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Originally Posted by james dean
this thread is growing at hyper speed, you post a comment and seconds later 10 posts are after yours...arrrgggggg!!!
True dat.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by sonofzeus
Note to self: check-in early via the UNITED app for all future flights.
Note to self ... don't fly United. I haven't in about five years and once I've moved to SF next month, I'll be sticking with American, even if I have to connect every time I travel.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by robinhood
Can anyone imagine this sort of thing happening on ANA? Everyone from the CEO down to the flight crew to the gate agent would be immediately dragged before the cameras to publicly bow in shame and resign for treating a customer so disgracefully. The problem here is that we have a culture among US airlines (and this is by no means confined to UA) where the passengers are "the enemy" and are routinely treated as such.
Japan's different. Everyone there is super polite. It left a very positive impression on me.

In America, at least for airlines, it's like...you could get run over in front of them, and they'd just step over you and continue walking.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by channa
Huh?

United's IDB rate is 4x that of Delta's. Kind of supports the United cheapness theory.
I think the point is that if we all book DL today, it would create more oversold flights with the change of IDB. I don't buy it, but it's also partially true in how you interpreted it.

DL mainline is 0.1 IDB per 10,000 versus UA's 0.4 (0.4 still being in the top half of U.S. airlines). Regional is a another story, and they average 1.2. So technically you could have a higher chance of IDBing on a DL itinerary depending on the carrier. But it doesn't matter who actually operates the flight, right? It's all DL or UA, right?

What supports true cheapness is DL lying their way out of millions in compensation from their operational meltdown, but that's for another thread.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by pon18n
In summary, I think every party involved is in a little bit of wrong here, each with their own justifications.

UA messed up realizing too late they had to fly 4 extra crew members, had they realized this before boarding this would not have been a mess. But still, having to choose between denying 4 passengers or cancel a whole flight the next day, I understand how it has to be the 4 who has to go. UA could also tried a little harder on the incentives, maybe a maximum $1350. But, if it seems like there wasn't going to be a volunteer anyway, then drawing lots it is.

Securities messed up in probably being a bit too "violent" (although the guy did fall and hit his head). But by that point they were only instructed to remove a passenger from the plane. It's kind of their job to "forcibly" remove a person who wouldn't "voluntarily" be removed from the plane.

The man should've just listened to his FA. Once you're on the plane and they tell you to get out, you should just listen. Arguing with your FA will only gets you into more trouble, especially once securities have been called. What do you expect the outcome to be? They give up and let you fly? The best he could have hoped for is to plea for any other passengers to understand his urgency and volunteer in his stead. Someone had to go and he got the short end of the straw. But yes, he shouldn't have to be kicked out the first place.

Everyone also seemed to be punished. Security got put on leave. Man got injury. Personally, I think UA is getting hit the hardest with the PR they're receiving.

Maybe some of you think it's justified? I don't know.
I think more of the fault lies on UA though, because you have to realize once you call for security, it might as well be interpreted as a potentially violent passenger, and they should realize the ramifications. We also don't know what happened leading up to the whole incident. How much coaxing did UA do to get the passenger to leave? If they spent 30 minutes warning him he'll get forcibly removed, then obviously I think they did their part.

However, I think they could've tried alternative approaches, and this is where customer service comes in:
  • Offer a higher amount than $800, maybe $1000 or $1200?
  • Draft a list of 6-8 people instead so if you get unhappy passengers, you can pull someone else?
  • As for pulling someone else, the FA could've easily announced something like "Well thanks to Mr. Uncooperative in 26A, we're going to have to ask another passenger to deboard." Maybe people will glare at him and he will finally leave, or that might be enough guilt to get him to get up and deplane.
  • Offer additional incentives to the passenger who was uncooperative--hey we will fly you in on another airline, we will put you in a stretch limo to drive all the way down, etc.

As for security, I do agree we need to rethink our security whether its law enforcement or air marshals or whatever. Use of force and escalation need to be rethought and I think 95% of most arguments that turn physical can be resolved through de-escalation. The problem is law enforcement in the US just seems to have that power tripping attitude.

I just returned to the US and even CBP is on a power trip too. Someone brought up ANA, and I'm just remembering what it's like to go to immigration at NRT/HND or any other Asian airport like HKG/SIN/TPE/ICN. You have average desk/office workers reviewing your passport, and they grill you like you're a criminal and then you move on.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
That's the point I was trying to drive home to those defending UA.

Even if UA did everything by the rulebook, they could've done more just by offering more compensation to pax. Free market solution. Good customer service requires flexibility, sensitivity and empathy. Obviously, these three words are absent from UA top brass' dictionary.

That's the difference between a premium airline like ANA and a carrier like UA.
We all know that UA is a LCC pretending to be something else.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by robinhood
Can anyone imagine this sort of thing happening on ANA? Everyone from the CEO down to the flight crew to the gate agent would be immediately dragged before the cameras to publicly bow in shame and resign for treating a customer so disgracefully. The problem here is that we have a culture among US airlines (and this is by no means confined to UA) where the passengers are "the enemy" and are routinely treated as such.
Interesting perspective.

Add Canadian airlines to that culture, since there was just a story released this weekend about a couple that was bumped on an Air Canada YYZ-MIA flight in March (Air Canada is likely the Canadian equivalent to UA).

I think they were selected because they booked their seats using AirMiles. So not only do the award ticket holders get bumped first...I'm guessing they may target alternate award tickets over FF award tickets...
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:34 pm
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by aCavalierInCoach
It honestly doesn't matter how wrong this guy was -- he didn't deserve to be beaten, and the chain of responsibility here starts with United.
He wasn't beaten.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
That's the point I was trying to drive home to those defending UA.

Even if UA did everything by the rulebook, they could've done more just by offering more compensation to pax. Free market solution. Good customer service requires flexibility, sensitivity and empathy. Obviously, these three words are absent from UA top brass' dictionary.

That's the difference between a premium airline like ANA and a carrier like UA.
United was penny wise and pound foolish.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by findark
Really? If I pick the lock on your front door and start living in your house, you can't have the police forcibly remove me from your house? In the US that's definitely the case, and I would be prosecuted for trespassing (laws around that are vague, but if it included you instructing me to leave and me refusing, they are not).
If they find a way to enter via an open window and did not force entry, then yes, the police would not intervene. I accept the situation may be different in the U.S.

Absolutely. Depending on the circumstances, maybe after arguing heatedly with the GA. But after a police officer sets foot on the plane? Absolutely.
Yes, I would leave too, but I suppose I am making a distinction between doing the pragmatic thing, i.e. leaving, and standing up for one's rights, which I so admire in this man. Are we obliged to do everything a uniformed officer says even in a commercial situation? So if I have a uniformed officer telling me to pay United $10,000 immediately, should I do that?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
There is a difference between legal responsibility and bad publicity. Look at the news articles floating around. I don't think you'll see Trans States on any of them. Plus I'm pretty sure his lawyer will argue he bought his ticket from UA, not Trans States.
And his ticket will say all over it "OPERATED BY TRANS STATES AIRLINES DOING BUSINESS AS UNITED EXPRESS", along with notices all over United's website saying "Flights may be operated by codeshare partners."
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by pon18n
He wasn't beaten.
Slamming his face into an armrest doesn't count?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by pokee
Interesting perspective.

Add Canadian airlines to that culture, since there was just a story released this weekend about a couple that was bumped on an Air Canada YYZ-MIA flight in March (Air Canada is likely the Canadian equivalent to UA).

I think they were selected because they booked their seats using AirMiles. So not only do the award ticket holders get bumped first...I'm guessing they may target alternate award tickets over FF award tickets...
nope, it would be the last person who checked in...
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by pon18n
He wasn't beaten.
Yes he was
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