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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old May 4, 2017, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by TWAflyer
I had a somewhat similar incident happen to me a few years ago. PA police came on board my flight at JFK to arrest me as Northwest Airlines had wired them that I was using a stolen ticket. I explained to the police that it was not stolen - I had legally bought it from NWA's code share partner.

Nevertheless the police insisted on removing me from the plane. At that point, I did not throw a tantrum, did not wrap myself around a seat for leverage, nor physically resist the police. I gathered my hand luggage and allowed myself to be escorted by the police from the plane.
Yours was a completely different situation than Dr. Dao's. You were being accused of a crime and law enforcement officers were called. You rightly followed the instructions of the LEOs given that you were being accused of, and potentially arrested for a criminal act. Dr. Dao committed no crime, and he was never accused of committing a crime. He was lawfully and legally occupying his purchased seat on the aircraft. UA erred in attempting to employ LEOs in what was essentially a United Airlines customer service problem.
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Old May 4, 2017, 11:36 am
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Sorry, but you're getting ahead of yourself. Read any CoC - that seat ain't "legally" yours.

Dr. Dao threw a tantrum unnecessarily and got lucky with a large payout. That's it.
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Old May 4, 2017, 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by tuolumne
Sorry, but you're getting ahead of yourself. Read any CoC - that seat ain't "legally" yours.

Dr. Dao threw a tantrum unnecessarily and got lucky with a large payout. That's it.
My language probably wasn't as clear as it should be (I'm not a lawyer ). What I meant by "legally" was that he was not breaking any law by sitting there.

I understand that the seat isn't "legally" his.
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Old May 4, 2017, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by tuolumne
Sorry, but you're getting ahead of yourself. Read any CoC - that seat ain't "legally" yours.

Dr. Dao threw a tantrum unnecessarily and got lucky with a large payout. That's it.
In the end, legality and the CoC have little meaning here. What matters is how United controls and reacts to public perception of its practices. FT is a special place in which proving that something is right is more important than doing the right thing. Most of the real world isn't that way.

Or you could say, "winning" doesn't count for much if most people think you lost.
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Old May 5, 2017, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by Duke787
$10m+ is what I would guess. No chance he settled for $1m-3m after all the bad press UA got - especially given how quickly UA moved to make it go away.
A UA Corporate employee told me the office rumor is he as paid out $8MM.
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Old May 5, 2017, 6:44 pm
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The fact that UA is paying out money sums it up. They did not handle the situation in an appropriate manner. I don't know what they paid to Dr. Dao but I, like others, think it is in the millions.
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Old May 6, 2017, 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
The security personnel should most definitely be held accountable for their actions. That doesn't mean United can escape their responsibility in summoning those personnel and not instructing them what United would like them to do and what limits United imposed upon their conduct.
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Sorry, but as a gate agent I could just imagine the look or comments I would get from any police entity when I try to "instruct" them what United would like them to do (tell them how to do their job???).....or they would just ignore me and go forth.
I would think the AIRPORT POLICE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, knowledge and training to act in a humane manner with a non-threatening person and would already know that (without say) and act accordingly. I fail to see how United really is to blame for the police action (even though they were summoned). NO ONE could have known in advance what they were going to do (not even those police themselves).

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Old May 8, 2017, 6:29 am
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Saturday I was at the littlest Catbert's softball game. One of the softball parents had her arm in a sling. When we asked what had happened her reply was "I flew United this week".

The damage done isn't going away soon. UA has entered popular culture as the airline that drags people from planes.
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Old May 8, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyingNone
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Sorry, but as a gate agent I could just imagine the look or comments I would get from any police entity when I try to "instruct" them what United would like them to do (tell them how to do their job???).....or they would just ignore me and go forth.
I would think the AIRPORT POLICE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, knowledge and training to act in a humane manner with a non-threatening person and would already know that (without say) and act accordingly. I fail to see how United really is to blame for the police action (even though they were summoned). NO ONE could have known in advance what they were going to do (not even those police themselves).
I think it is clear by this point they were not police officer (they had no power of arrest). They are basically security guards working for the airport authority who is hired by United to operate the airport including these security services.

I think United was clear on the outcome they were looking for. Removal of the passenger. What they probably were not expecting was how these security guards went about achieving that outcome.
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Old May 8, 2017, 10:14 pm
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Originally Posted by TWAflyer
UA unquestionably terribly mishandled the incident from the beginning, apparently as a manifestation of their overall degrading attitude toward their paying passengers. The failed to use decency, and common sense, to resolve the issue.

But Dr. Dao contributed to the blowup as well. He was within his rights to insist to UA that he did not agree to be bumped and to state that again to the police who came on board. However, once the police insisted that he disembark, he should not have fought and resisted them. He should have taken his things, left the plane and then used all available resources at his disposals - pictures, calls to the press, a call to his lawyer, et al - to make public what UA did to him. He should not have carried on as he did on board the aircraft and fought with the police and UA's FAs and GAs.

I had a somewhat similar incident happen to me a few years ago. PA police came on board my flight at JFK to arrest me as Northwest Airlines had wired them that I was using a stolen ticket. I explained to the police that it was not stolen - I had legally bought it from NWA's code share partner.

Nevertheless the police insisted on removing me from the plane. At that point, I did not throw a tantrum, did not wrap myself around a seat for leverage, nor physically resist the police. I gathered my hand luggage and allowed myself to be escorted by the police from the plane.

Once in the lounge, and the aircraft physically safe and its operation not in jeapordy, the police sergeant calmly spoke with me. After listening to my side of the story, he agreed that I should not be arrested and in fact he did not do so. (Indeed, a few hours later I was on the next flight, after NWA admitted they had lied about the ticket being stolen. Their code share partner had charged me a low price for the ticket which NWA did not like, and so had me falsely accused of stealing it to prevent my flying on it.)

The point is I did not make an incident on board the plane, as Dr. Dao did (this was pursued legally afterwards against NWA). Police are responsible for the aircraft's safety and therefore have to heavily rely on what the airline tells them is a "problem" with a passenger. That is their first priority. But as in my case, had Dr. Dao not thrown his tantrum and left quietly, he had enough facts and information at his disposal to cause significant PR problems for UA while still rightfully maintaining his "mistreated passenger" image.

Passengers have rights but also have responsibilities.
I don't think there's any evidence that Dr Dao fought (physically), carried on, or "fought with the police, and UA's FAs and GAs." They weren't police, just airport security guards, and he had a right to stay on the flight. Moreover, he was aware that leaving the plane would mean not getting home until close to 24 hours later.

You leave, you lose. Even if you straighten out the situation later with airline employees and police, you've still missed the flight that you were supposed to take.
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Old May 8, 2017, 10:32 pm
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Originally Posted by TWAflyer
...snip...Indeed, a few hours later I was on the next flight, after NWA admitted they had lied about the ticket being stolen. Their code share partner had charged me a low price for the ticket which NWA did not like, and so had me falsely accused of stealing it to prevent my flying on it.)

The point is I did not make an incident on board the plane, as Dr. Dao did (this was pursued legally afterwards against NWA). Police are responsible for the aircraft's safety and therefore have to heavily rely on what the airline tells them is a "problem" with a passenger. That is their first priority. But as in my case, had Dr. Dao not thrown his tantrum and left quietly, he had enough facts and information at his disposal to cause significant PR problems for UA while still rightfully maintaining his "mistreated passenger" image.

Passengers have rights but also have responsibilities.
An airline didn't like the fact that you got a good, but legal, fare through a codeshare and had you knowingly and falsely accused of theft in order to prevent you taking the flight for which you had a legitimate ticket? Did I read that right?
And you didn't sue the pants off those arrogant .......s?
Physical injury aside, that is far more egregious than anything UA did.
Maybe you should have made more noise.
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Old May 8, 2017, 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by rickg523
An airline didn't like the fact that you got a good, but legal, fare through a codeshare and had you knowingly and falsely accused of theft in order to prevent you taking the flight for which you had a legitimate ticket? Did I read that right?
And you didn't sue the pants off those arrogant .......s?
Physical injury aside, that is far more egregious than anything UA did.
Maybe you should have made more noise.
Plus the logic doesn't pass the sniff test. If someone were trying to fly on a fraudulent ticket, they would want it to show a price slightly on the high side of normal so as not to attract attention.
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Old May 8, 2017, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
Yours was a completely different situation than Dr. Dao's. You were being accused of a crime and law enforcement officers were called. You rightly followed the instructions of the LEOs given that you were being accused of, and potentially arrested for a criminal act. Dr. Dao committed no crime, and he was never accused of committing a crime. He was lawfully and legally occupying his purchased seat on the aircraft. UA erred in attempting to employ LEOs in what was essentially a United Airlines customer service problem.
people on here complaining about Dao breaking the law probably still believe that afro americans broke the law when they refused to sit at the back of the bus.where would we be now if they hadnt done that?
this is america-if you dont stand up for your rights you get trampled on.
well done Dr Dao -enjoy your payout.you have made flying better for others.
and it must have taken a lot of guts to do what you did.
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Old May 9, 2017, 1:07 am
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Originally Posted by bryanwallace
people on here complaining about Dao breaking the law probably still believe that afro americans broke the law when they refused to sit at the back of the bus.where would we be now if they hadnt done that?
this is america-if you dont stand up for your rights you get trampled on.
well done Dr Dao -enjoy your payout.you have made flying better for others.
and it must have taken a lot of guts to do what you did.
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Old May 9, 2017, 1:43 am
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Originally Posted by bryanwallace
people on here complaining about Dao breaking the law probably still believe that afro americans broke the law when they refused to sit at the back of the bus.where would we be now if they hadnt done that?
this is america-if you dont stand up for your rights you get trampled on.
well done Dr Dao -enjoy your payout.you have made flying better for others.
and it must have taken a lot of guts to do what you did.
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