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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by qukslvr619
And then the payoff. Amazing for how huge a goat rodeo this became and how it raised the issue of injustice, passenger rights, airlines are "bad", and that spectacle the lawyers made with this....apparently the injustice can be made right with $$$.

I'm not saying that some restitution wasn't due (although I'm still in the camp that Dao should have complied with the original instruction), but apparently with a payoff, I believe this incident will fade into obscurity and I highly doubt that Dr. Dao and company will be champions for passenger rights and fight the good fight against airlines.
Given UA has changed its policies and increased the VDB flexibility and amounts, there is nothing obscure about the passenger victory arising from this incident's aftermath. I'll be thinking of Dao when I observe a passenger collecting thousands of dollars in a UA voucher for accepting to be VDBed by UA.
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Originally Posted by qukslvr619
I'm not saying that some restitution wasn't due (although I'm still in the camp that Dao should have complied with the original instruction), but apparently with a payoff, I believe this incident will fade into obscurity and I highly doubt that Dr. Dao and company will be champions for passenger rights and fight the good fight against airlines.
Originally Posted by qukslvr619
I suppose what I am getting at is if you take the money and run, then that's your choice. But I would have more respect for the situation, and maybe it would shed some legitimacy on the whole thing if there was more of an approach to start a passenger rights group and use your experience as a means to educate others...rather than the airline wronged me, I'm going to sue, get my payoff, and then fade into obscurity.
But at no stage did Dr Dao ever state/suggest that he was going/wanting to be the champion for passenger rights. He was shoved into the spotlight because United did not have any mechanisms to deal with this issue and thought they could just use force to get someone off a plane, and especially when they in my opinion had very limited legal basis to do so.

Although Dr Dao receives a nice monetary settlement now, he still had to endure the relentless digging up of his past personal and professional history and ongoing attacks on himself (was he dealing drugs? banned from working as a doctor? engaged in homosexual activity even though he was married with children? locked up in prison previously? and more) that will be a tarnish for him and his family forever - regardless of actual truth.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 10:21 am
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The head of security at Chicago's O'Hare International and Midway International Airports has been fired.

On Friday, the Chicago Department of Aviation confirmed that airport security chief Jeffrey Redding has been relieved of his duties effective Thursday, April 27.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chica...c-12eb60ba53a6

Service Employees International Union Local 73, which represents 292 officers who work at O'Hare International and Midway airports, filed an unfair labor practice complaint with the Illinois Labor Relations Board. The union contended the city is moving "to strip the aviation officers of their authority as special police officers" and asked the board to order the city not to make any changes to the officers' "duties or symbols of authority" until it gives the union notice and "a full opportunity to bargain over proposed changes."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...426-story.html
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After having read the report there's something I don't get.
  • They say this was triggered by an earlier flight (5279?) mechanical delay, and four Trans-States crew being moved from 5279 to 3411.
  • They say no other customers would volunteer unless they could arrive in Louisville later that night

Aren't there now 4 vacated seats on 5279? Couldn't United have enticed the last few people with them? Of course, it was possible that 5279 would be cancelled, but United could easily have come back with, "well, at the time we thought it would only be delayed...sure has been a run of bad luck..."
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Well, it was a nice dream, wasn't it?
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More good news - and let's hope the union is told to go pound sand. Whoever decided to give a bunch of Sears loss prevention staff police powers should be taken out back and beaten senseless.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by alanslegal
Although Dr Dao receives a nice monetary settlement now, he still had to endure the relentless digging up of his past personal and professional history and ongoing attacks on himself (was he dealing drugs? banned from working as a doctor? engaged in homosexual activity even though he was married with children? locked up in prison previously? and more) that will be a tarnish for him and his family forever - regardless of actual truth.
You're the only one who has mentioned this recently in the thread, and quite frankly I don't understand your point in questioning the truth of what has been now firmly established as factual.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 3:09 pm
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More good news - and let's hope the union is told to go pound sand. Whoever decided to give a bunch of Sears loss prevention staff police powers should be taken out back and beaten senseless.
They may end up being Chicago police officers if one alderman has his way.

CITY HALL — The city's Aviation security force should be disbanded in the wake of the firestorm created after officers seriously injured a Louisville doctor by dragging him off a United Airlines flight last week, an alderman said Wednesday.

The 292-officer Aviation Department security force — which costs the city $19 million annually — should be consolidated into the Chicago Police Department within the next 60 days, 15th Ward Ald. Ray Lopez said.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2017...o-rahm-emanuel
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Here is the full report promised by United Airlines. You can go to the United website and download the report in .pdf format.

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report

By United Airlines

April 27, 2017


Without this crew's timely arrival in Louisville, there was the prospect of disrupting more than 100 United customers by canceling at least one flight on Monday and likely more. With this in mind, the four crew members were booked on flight 3411, creating the need to identify four customers who would not be able to take the flight.

...

Crew movement: As in the case of flight 3411, customers can be denied boarding involuntarily if a plane is full and a flight crew, under airline policies, must be allowed to take that flight. This is done to avoid further operational disruptions, which would impact even more customers (such as cancelling a future flight that a crew is scheduled to fly).
My bolding... this seems to put to rest the claims by many (including the 'pilot's wife') suggesting there is a Federal law requiring crew movements to receive 'must fly' status to accommodate scheduling at a later stage.

It might be airline policy, but no mention here of FAA mandated requirements.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 5:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Miles Ahead
After having read the report there's something I don't get.
  • They say this was triggered by an earlier flight (5279?) mechanical delay, and four Trans-States crew being moved from 5279 to 3411.
  • They say no other customers would volunteer unless they could arrive in Louisville later that night

Aren't there now 4 vacated seats on 5279? Couldn't United have enticed the last few people with them? Of course, it was possible that 5279 would be cancelled, but United could easily have come back with, "well, at the time we thought it would only be delayed...sure has been a run of bad luck..."
I asked the same questions and more in my post on my blog: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/112614

In summary of my blog post, 2 UA flights took off from ORD-SDF after flight 3411 that night. United's story does not add up. It sure seems like the GA goofed by only offering a flight option on the next day.
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I asked the same questions and more in my post on my blog: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/112614

In summary of my blog post, 2 UA flights took off from ORD-SDF after flight 3411 that night. United's story does not add up. It sure seems like the GA goofed by only offering a flight option on the next day.
A) it wouldn't show up in availability as a later flight (availability calls are scheduled dptrs, they don't list operational delays) and B) Would you volunteer for a flight with the protection being "a flight delayed for mechanical reasons a few hours so far with no knowledge that it will operate"? It's a valid question with a simple answer. Similar to offering protection as "you can standby and might get out" People giving up a known product want a known replacement, offering a "maybe" doesn't go very far.

edit: I believe the last flight was sold out (read it somewhere) so offering a flight without available seats is not a good option either.

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Old Apr 28, 2017, 7:02 pm
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Yet Not ONE Fellow Passenger Stepped Forward...

From the beginning of this fiasco and seeing the new, I have marveled how "not one fellow passenger" stepped forward to say, shout, or demand – "I'll go! Please, Stop! I will deplane. Let me get my carry-on. I will go in his place!"

Has anyone else sense that lack of compassion versus hopping on the damn smartphones to capture something they "saw" as in injustice vs. "solving" the issue at hand? Where were the other passengers' decency against UA?

Or, is it just me?
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by cherylbabbe
From the beginning of this fiasco and seeing the new, I have marveled how "not one fellow passenger" stepped forward to say, shout, or demand – "I'll go! Please, Stop! I will deplane. Let me get my carry-on. I will go in his place!"

Has anyone else sense that lack of compassion versus hopping on the damn smartphones to capture something they "saw" as in injustice vs. "solving" the issue at hand? Where were the other passengers' decency against UA?

Or, is it just me?

In addition to the shock of watching this transform suddenly, perhaps, it is because those passengers didn't want to also be accused of being disruptive. And having the "Police" drag them off as well.

One could imagine the "Police" telling a would be volunteer "You! Mind your own business! Don't interfere with us doing our jobs! Or you too will get a taste of this!"

Or thereabouts.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 7:25 pm
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Fastair, A) is a good answer.

As for (B), given a choice between the certainty of not getting to your destination until the next day vs. the possibility of not getting to your destination until the next day, I think most people would want a larger cash/voucher compensation for the former. I know I would. Logically that means I would accept a smaller cash/voucher compensation for the latter.

Would this have gotten a 4th volunteer? No way to tell now, of course.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 7:35 pm
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Seat back down

This is slightly off topic, but the drag-ee had his seat back even with the plane on the ground still.
As one of the "seat don't go back unless everyone's asleep" crowd, I take that as one indicator of this passenger's general level of conduct.
Nonetheless, whatever your opinion of United's culpability, the optics certainly were bad.
Sadly, I believe this entire incident including the settlement outcome will only serve to encourage further non-frequent flier behavioral variance.
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