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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 6:52 pm
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When no one budged, Fuller said the woman left and returned with a list. She marched down the aisle. First she told a young couple they would have to leave and then a woman. Then she approached Dao, who was sitting in an aisle seat. Dao refused. Fuller said Dao’s wife was not picked to leave.
Security was called and three officers boarded the plane. Millions of people worldwide have seen the video of what followed.
“One person yanked him out of his seat and then I saw them starting to drag Dao,” Fuller said. A woman ran to the front of the plane shouting, “What are you doing to my husband?”
“She kept shouting,” Fuller said. “The police kept telling her she needed to come out or they were going to arrest her. She finally stepped outside.”
Something is EXTREMELY fishy about how this IDB was handled. I cannot see any reasonable decision criteria that would split a party and take a single traveler.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 6:52 pm
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And it gets crazier! Almost missed this nugget from CNN:

"At least one of the officers in the videos was wearing a jacket emblazoned with the word "police," which officials banned several months ago, City Aviation Commissioner Ginger Evans told the panel."

Are we adding police impersonation to the mix?
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 6:54 pm
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Originally Posted by muji
But they chose to not empty the plane first. Probably because they wanted to teach a lesson to all of us: Don't question our decisions, actions, or authority. Or else we will "re-accomodate" (a term with new meaning now) you.
It's more likely that they didn't empty the plane first because the cops were utterly useless and wanted to solve the 'problem' in a hurry. Good for Dr. Dao that the passenger were allowed to watch and film. Otherwise this incident might have been slip under "aggressive passenger tried striking police officer" and the good doctor probably would've made the "worst passenger of the week" list.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 6:54 pm
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Originally Posted by rufflesinc
If I was getting IDB'ed that would seriously mess up a vacation, I think I'll just waive a fistful of a benjamins and ask for someone to take my place.
Sort of happened to me once years ago. Me and my GF were heading home from a vacation (I don't even remember exactly where/when, it was so long ago) and the plane at the final connection was oversold and somehow was splitting a family of four with two very young kids. The dad was totally overboard about the rest of them flying without him - IIRC the delay wasn't even that long, but certainly several hours. He was literally waving around a fistful of benjamins trying to get someone to take his place when we walked up. We were totally fine with one of us taking the delay instead of him, but the gate agents refused to let it happen. They didn't want the paperwork or something, or he'd already driven them crazy and they had no interest in helping him out. It's possible the wad of cash was his IDB compensation and he was trying to buy his way back on.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 6:58 pm
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Did United illegally operate flight after the incident? I would gather that since there was bodily harm that the aircraft was a crime scene and thus shouldn't have been moved. Any thoughts on this?
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress
In an email obtained by CNN, the airline told its passengers it was offering them $500 flight vouchers but only if they agreed not to sue the company.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/travel...eak/index.html
If it is indeed true and correct, $500 of UA funny money is laughable. UA will never learn. They need to make an offer that most will not refuse like $10,000 UA funny money. It only cost them $2,500 in real money but $10,000 UA funny money sounds a lot more. Let us see what the real and final number UA ends offering, if we will ever know.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
But if they offer them say 5k (which would still probably be a bargain all things considered), it looks even more like hush money paid by a guilty party. And tabloids could definitely spin that as even more 'mafia-esque' bribery. The path forward PR-wise isn't that obvious.
In some respects there might not be a "clean" path forward. The "cleanest" one, however, would be a no-strings-attached straight refund and possibly an inconvenience voucher or other form of compensation on top of that (again, no strings attached; here I'd say no cash, but vouchers, no-blackout/space-available upgrade coupons, miles, or even a status bump would be reasonable) along with an apology. I'll be a bit cheeky and say that I think having Mr. Munoz write out the letters might also be a good homework assignment for him. A genuine-seeming heartfelt gesture along with something tangible offered without strings would probably put me off of suing even if I'd get more from the lawsuit because it would come across as "They didn't have to do that".
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:03 pm
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https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2017...-united-flight

In response to heated and repeated questioning by 14th Ward Ald. Ed Burke, Evans acknowledged that Aviation security officers had been ordered to no longer wear uniforms emblazoned with the word "police."

Evans said the Aviation security officers were told in January to identify themselves as "security."

The investigation will probe why the officers captured on video were wearing black-and-white jackets with the word "police" on them, Evans said.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress
In an email obtained by CNN, the airline told its passengers it was offering them $500 flight vouchers but only if they agreed not to sue the company.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/travel...eak/index.html
Is that for real?

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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by fgirard
But, I have a friend of mine who has seen similar at DEN for the DEN-ASE and DEN-MTJ where once it is announced that the flight is weight restricted, passengers are trying to buy off other passengers. Unfortunately for her, those situations do not appear on DEN-CYS.
ffs, spend a few benjamins on a rental car just drive it! I regularly rent a oneway and drive ORD-DTW after a intl flight rather than going thru TSA, risk delays on the short flight , or losing my bags
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Originally Posted by robinhood
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2017...-united-flight

In response to heated and repeated questioning by 14th Ward Ald. Ed Burke, Evans acknowledged that Aviation security officers had been ordered to no longer wear uniforms emblazoned with the word "police."

Evans said the Aviation security officers were told in January to identify themselves as "security."

The investigation will probe why the officers captured on video were wearing black-and-white jackets with the word "police" on them, Evans said.
All three of these mall cops are getting fired for sure.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:06 pm
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
In some respects there might not be a "clean" path forward. The "cleanest" one, however, would be a no-strings-attached straight refund and possibly an inconvenience voucher or other form of compensation on top of that (again, no strings attached; here I'd say no cash, but vouchers, no-blackout/space-available upgrade coupons, miles, or even a status bump would be reasonable) along with an apology.
I would advise a client in these circumstances to do the straight-out, no strings attached refund to original form of payment. Because that's the right thing to do. And it will in the long run benefit the company more than playing weasel games.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:06 pm
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Originally Posted by George Purcell
There is no "government rule" that designates crew as "must fly."
Total red herring. Try again.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:09 pm
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Originally Posted by stockmanjr
Did United illegally operate flight after the incident? I would gather that since there was bodily harm that the aircraft was a crime scene and thus shouldn't have been moved. Any thoughts on this?
Now that you mention it, this might have to do with why Dr. Dao wasn't charged...if UA wanted to press charges then suddenly the police could be forced to take lots of statements and other evidence. However, if the police released the scene then UA would be covered...and I wouldn't be surprised if the cops told UA "Look, if you decide you want to press charges that's your bag, but if you do this flight isn't going anywhere tonight."

If nothing else, that would further delay the flight and complicating the hell out of United's position...I can just see the way that would go if they tried to get the flight moving in a timely manner. Dao would probably add to his pile of allegations the fact that "In addition to creating an atmosphere of fear, after pressing criminal charges United pressured other passengers not to make statements to the police regarding the situation with the threat of losing their seat on the flight without compensation." I don't know about you, but phrased that way it would sure come off as an attempt at witness tampering in a criminal investigation.

Edit: Also, doing that might well force the charges to then get dropped and even have United/United's employees smacked with charges of that, obstruction of justice, and so on. Basically, the second criminal charges flew that crew heading to SDF wasn't going to make their rest time.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:09 pm
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Originally Posted by robinhood
Evans said the Aviation security officers were told in January to identify themselves as "security."

The investigation will probe why the officers captured on video were wearing black-and-white jackets with the word "police" on them, Evans said.
Wow. Just wow.
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