United ends Tokyo – Seoul route in Oct 2017
Aug 30, 2017, 9:57 am
#166
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Aug 30, 2017, 11:04 am
#167
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Flew this route on the way back to the states on Sunday and had a very pleasant experience. Felt really weird that it was an international flight but acted totally like a domestic route.
I felt like the odd man out cause it was full of either Japanese going home, people stationed in Guam heading home or people continuing the flight number back to Newark.
The crew was a full Guamese crew which was a change of pace for me for sure (don't know if that's the right way to say, but that's how it was said in the cabin)
I felt like the odd man out cause it was full of either Japanese going home, people stationed in Guam heading home or people continuing the flight number back to Newark.
The crew was a full Guamese crew which was a change of pace for me for sure (don't know if that's the right way to say, but that's how it was said in the cabin)
Aug 30, 2017, 12:01 pm
#168
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No E+
No upgrades (GPU/RPU/CPU)
Less baggage allowance / baggage hassels
less Irrops assistance (assuming status)
No Lifetime miles
Etc.
The JV agreements benefit United.
I don't see them going away, but lets not kid ourselves that they are minimally different then United metal.
Aug 30, 2017, 12:08 pm
#169
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Not accurate.
No E+
No upgrades (GPU/RPU/CPU)
Less baggage allowance / baggage hassels
less Irrops assistance (assuming status)
No Lifetime miles
Etc.
The JV agreements benefit United.
I don't see them going away, but lets not kid ourselves that they are minimally different then United metal.
No E+
No upgrades (GPU/RPU/CPU)
Less baggage allowance / baggage hassels
less Irrops assistance (assuming status)
No Lifetime miles
Etc.
The JV agreements benefit United.
I don't see them going away, but lets not kid ourselves that they are minimally different then United metal.
And yes I guess you're right that the differences are more than minimally different: you get much better service on ANA versus UA.
I don't really understand what the big deal with UA discontinuing these fifth freedom routes are other than nostalgia, considering all of the negatives and positives, neither UA or the passengers are worst off.
Aug 30, 2017, 12:13 pm
#170
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Kaiserslautern
Programs: UA G 1.9MM, HH Diamond, Global Entry
Posts: 439
I know you're probably joking, but...
UA holds the government contract for SFO-ICN, and sells many, many spots to US military personnel and their accompanying family, if applicable, and government employees. Remember, travel orders have to be flown on a US carrier. They won't be getting rid of their spot in Seoul for a long time to come.
UA holds the government contract for SFO-ICN, and sells many, many spots to US military personnel and their accompanying family, if applicable, and government employees. Remember, travel orders have to be flown on a US carrier. They won't be getting rid of their spot in Seoul for a long time to come.
Unless of course the traveler is not using UA. DL and AA have city pairs from CONUS to SEL.
Aug 30, 2017, 12:20 pm
#171
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You can use GPUs on ANA flights, and there has been no CPU on these intra-Asia routes for awhile now. And IME, there is a higher chance for op-ups on ANA flights than UA.
And yes I guess you're right that the differences are more than minimally different: you get much better service on ANA versus UA.
I don't really understand what the big deal with UA discontinuing these fifth freedom routes are other than nostalgia, considering all of the negatives and positives, neither UA or the passengers are worst off.
And yes I guess you're right that the differences are more than minimally different: you get much better service on ANA versus UA.
I don't really understand what the big deal with UA discontinuing these fifth freedom routes are other than nostalgia, considering all of the negatives and positives, neither UA or the passengers are worst off.
There is much more then nostalgia.
Yes, you can use a GPU on ANA flights, but it takes an extra one if you have already used one on the UA TPAC.
And E+, baggage, irrops, all the other things that you left out.
United passengers are worse off. As someone that sorely misses a United tag flight out of NRT, I feel the degradation with every trip.
Aug 30, 2017, 4:11 pm
#173
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Seoul
Programs: None anymore
Posts: 983
Well for me, they don't fly NRT-SEL so if I use them I have to transfer to HND. No thanks. For me pulling out on this route is a big deal...
Aug 30, 2017, 7:11 pm
#174
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We are losing NRT as a hub but receiving nonstops from the US instead and gaining access to HND, which is a lot more convenient for Tokyo. Adding in the ANA JV, that is a trade I would make any day.
Aug 30, 2017, 7:35 pm
#175
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Aug 31, 2017, 11:43 am
#176
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Aug 31, 2017, 10:26 pm
#177
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The UA SEL fares do not allow NH flights. The V fare (not the W fare) allows Jeju (7C) flights. I suspect this is what you mean; as far as I can tell, there's no actual UA/7C codeshare (i.e., a flight with a UA flight number operated by 7C).
It seems that when UA lifted the surcharge on taking the OZ flight, they also threw in a nasty little requirement:
Prior to Oct 29, you can fly an OZ flight with an OZ flight number on this fare, but you pay a surcharge. Starting Oct 29, you can only fly an OZ flight if it's a UA codeshare -- and UA doesn't (currently) codeshare on the GMP-HND flight. That same language is included in the V, Q, H, and U fare; the M fare allows you to fly an OZ flight on its native flight number but adds a ~₩350,000 surcharge. (Since, apparently, forcing you all the way up to M just wasn't good enough
).
Anyway, maybe UA will add its code on GMP-HND. In the meantime, it looks like UA wants you to stick with the nonstop; alternatively, United.com seems to be returning quite a few broken fares connecting via China. Of course, that requires connecting via China, so...
It seems that when UA lifted the surcharge on taking the OZ flight, they also threw in a nasty little requirement:
Prior to Oct 29, you can fly an OZ flight with an OZ flight number on this fare, but you pay a surcharge. Starting Oct 29, you can only fly an OZ flight if it's a UA codeshare -- and UA doesn't (currently) codeshare on the GMP-HND flight. That same language is included in the V, Q, H, and U fare; the M fare allows you to fly an OZ flight on its native flight number but adds a ~₩350,000 surcharge. (Since, apparently, forcing you all the way up to M just wasn't good enough
).Anyway, maybe UA will add its code on GMP-HND. In the meantime, it looks like UA wants you to stick with the nonstop; alternatively, United.com seems to be returning quite a few broken fares connecting via China. Of course, that requires connecting via China, so...
The morning ICN-NRT and return on OZ will be on A380, perhaps anticipating the withdrawal of UA (and to a lesser extent JL?). If OZ switches to Air Seoul on ICN-NRT, UA might as well give up on Korea. If this happens, realize that only KE will be the full-service carrier serving ICN-NRT (with NH, JL, and possibly OZ? all dropping out).
Flew this route on the way back to the states on Sunday and had a very pleasant experience. Felt really weird that it was an international flight but acted totally like a domestic route.
I felt like the odd man out cause it was full of either Japanese going home, people stationed in Guam heading home or people continuing the flight number back to Newark.
The crew was a full Guamese crew which was a change of pace for me for sure (don't know if that's the right way to say, but that's how it was said in the cabin)
I felt like the odd man out cause it was full of either Japanese going home, people stationed in Guam heading home or people continuing the flight number back to Newark.
The crew was a full Guamese crew which was a change of pace for me for sure (don't know if that's the right way to say, but that's how it was said in the cabin)
Not accurate.
No E+
No upgrades (GPU/RPU/CPU)
Less baggage allowance / baggage hassels
less Irrops assistance (assuming status)
No Lifetime miles
Etc.
The JV agreements benefit United.
I don't see them going away, but lets not kid ourselves that they are minimally different then United metal.
No E+
No upgrades (GPU/RPU/CPU)
Less baggage allowance / baggage hassels
less Irrops assistance (assuming status)
No Lifetime miles
Etc.
The JV agreements benefit United.
I don't see them going away, but lets not kid ourselves that they are minimally different then United metal.
Another thing to add is PQM. UA devalued PQM earning for OZ's non-full economy booking classes a month ago.
Wow.
There is much more then nostalgia.
Yes, you can use a GPU on ANA flights, but it takes an extra one if you have already used one on the UA TPAC.
And E+, baggage, irrops, all the other things that you left out.
United passengers are worse off. As someone that sorely misses a United tag flight out of NRT, I feel the degradation with every trip.
There is much more then nostalgia.
Yes, you can use a GPU on ANA flights, but it takes an extra one if you have already used one on the UA TPAC.
And E+, baggage, irrops, all the other things that you left out.
United passengers are worse off. As someone that sorely misses a United tag flight out of NRT, I feel the degradation with every trip.