United Starting nonstop flight SFO-SIN - June 2016
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I have a feeling that when UA decides to tackle nonstop service to BKK, it will be from LAX, not SFO. LAX has more O/D traffic that such a long flight will require, especially since service to BKK is far more dependent on lower rev leisure travelers. SFO-SIN connects two major financial/business centers and therefore has a much higher propensity for business travelers. LAX still serves as a mini-hub for UA of sorts...and puts pressure on AA there. LAX is a much more competitive airport than SFO...but since no one has LAX-BKK since TG departed that market, it would be a prudent monopolistic route for UA.
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Nice addition, but I will continue to fly via HKG or NRT as I prefer the midnight landing in SIN. Allows me a decent night of rest. Landing at 6am is brutal and will basically kill a day for me.
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That's true--UA clearly is working to make SFO the preeminent Pacific gateway from the USA. But a future BKK nonstop would be better as LAX-BKK since the O/D traffic would be far higher than SFO-BKK...and LAX still gets plenty of feed from every other major hub in the USA.
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Wow! UA is really pushing this aircraft..within a couple hundred miles of its stated range. Be interesting to see how this plays out in daily service.
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+1000 - after flying for 22 hours (from the east coast) last thing I want to do is have a full day of meetings ahead of me...
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Or maybe they'll be flying with a lot of empty E- seats, when people learn they don't want to spend 17 hours in a 17" seat.
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EWR-HKG-SIN is around 22 hours. Faster than connecting in SFO. Problem is that for half the year the SIN-HKG-EWR is below minimum connect so without NRT it becomes a two stop, in which case the nonstop SIN-SFO-EWR is fastest. Hopefully UA will find a way to make SIN-HKG-EWR a year-round option. Not really sure why they haven't done in the past?
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United Starting nonstop flight SFO-SIN - June 2016
More GF taken away from SIN. And I will miss partaking of NRTs showers and Amazing Beer Machine on my way to/from SIN.
I am booked 5/31 NRT-SIN. I think that is the last NRT-SIN
I am booked 5/31 NRT-SIN. I think that is the last NRT-SIN
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Count me in as surprised with this announcement. No fanfare and after close of business. I guess they are satisfied with how the 789's performance on LAX-MEL to stretch the Dreamliner's range to SFO-SIN. (No doubt low oil prices will help the route's margins.) This route was inevitable with the proper equipment. Nice job on UAL's part to jump SQ potentially starting this route in a few years. I would have thought they would have waited for the A35J before starting the route. I still think the A35J will end up operating this route once enough have been delivered as the plane has several hundred more miles of range and will seat scores more passengers while having greater fuel burn. My main question is how weight restricted will the aircraft be going westbound, especially in the winter. Might have to block off a few dozen seats next winter. Fortunately, the 789's fuel burn is unmatched by any other aircraft in commercial service, save for the few A359s. UAL better be coming up with serious hard and soft product upgrades throughout their longhaul fleet, because SQ is going to counter them on this route.
If SFO-BKK is to be launched, its going to be operated by the 789. It has the range and the fuel efficiency to make it work. The days of 777-200ERs operating across the Pacific are dying due to high fuel burn. (I still find that hard to type.)
If SFO-BKK is to be launched, its going to be operated by the 789. It has the range and the fuel efficiency to make it work. The days of 777-200ERs operating across the Pacific are dying due to high fuel burn. (I still find that hard to type.)
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Love the announcement. I live on the East Coast, but might still take this flight instead of going through HKG purely because the 2-4-2 business class can be terrible unless booked early. I also think this is kind of a defensive move. SQ ordered 7 A350ULR's, which means they could serve 3 cities in the US and have one plane as a spare. SQ currently only serves JFK, LAX, SFO, and IAH. JFK and LAX will get nonstop service, but with the energy industry not doing too well right now, the third nonstop would probably go to SFO. UA beats them to it with this flight. Also makes me wonder if UA and SQ will start codesharing soon.
I think one really important thing about this flight is that it gives many more SE Asian cities a one-stop flight to the US. I also think it will be a test flight for UA. If this flight is successful, then other cities in SE Asia (BKK, SGN, CGK) could see a nonstop service in the future.
Not really surprised UA is turning its NRT hub into US flights only. Giving ANA the connecting passengers is a very smart move, especially since they will (likely) not have as many slots as they do now once they eventually move to HND.
It's really ridiculous how much better of an Asian/Pacific network UA has compared to DL and AA.
I think one really important thing about this flight is that it gives many more SE Asian cities a one-stop flight to the US. I also think it will be a test flight for UA. If this flight is successful, then other cities in SE Asia (BKK, SGN, CGK) could see a nonstop service in the future.
Not really surprised UA is turning its NRT hub into US flights only. Giving ANA the connecting passengers is a very smart move, especially since they will (likely) not have as many slots as they do now once they eventually move to HND.
It's really ridiculous how much better of an Asian/Pacific network UA has compared to DL and AA.
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I think with the increasing aircraft capabilities, Asian carriers becoming more popular with US-based flyers and discount Asian carriers taking lots of intra-Asia traffic, UA has to ditch the NRT hub and do more nonstops. This is the ideal time to try - fuel is low and SQ has not resumed the nonstops.
The benefit is definitely the time saving - especially to cities in southeast Asia not served by UA (e.g. KUL, CGK). I suppose UA would still route people through NRT on NH instead of having through fares through SIN on SQ - as there is no revenue share? NH intra-Asia Y seats are really really unpleasant.
I do think there is probably a decent amount of cargo business - expensive electronics?
Hopefully the mid-flight snack in Y will become free - at least on this route
The benefit is definitely the time saving - especially to cities in southeast Asia not served by UA (e.g. KUL, CGK). I suppose UA would still route people through NRT on NH instead of having through fares through SIN on SQ - as there is no revenue share? NH intra-Asia Y seats are really really unpleasant.
I do think there is probably a decent amount of cargo business - expensive electronics?
Hopefully the mid-flight snack in Y will become free - at least on this route