Originally Posted by SEA1K4EVR
(Post 24979090)
When they merged, UA was still selling 3 class first on PS flights so naturally the fares were higher. CO had only 2 classes. That is the reason for the fare difference.
EWR just won't support the fares UA wants for ps, which is going to lead ultimately to ps fading away. The merged airline has never understood the market for this service, which is why they've failed at JFK and are now retreating to fortress EWR.
Originally Posted by JVPhoto
(Post 24979132)
Why not? I am a leisure 1K who flies in GF-F/BF-J on *A and I have no problem taking the train for 25-30min at times when I could be sitting in traffic for 60-80 min?
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Interesting development.
As someone who's lived in Manhattan for the last 10 years, I used the ps flights quite a bit given the price was significantly cheaper than flying out of EWR. Plus it was easier to use a RPU. But for every other flight, I used EWR since it was significantly closer than trudging out to JFK. Moving to EWR makes a lot of sense. Other than the seat and WiFi, the product from EWR and JFK today is identical. If they bridge that gap it will a good win, and allow then the sell flat bed West Coast-Europe 1 stop connections over EWR. However if this remains as ps, does that mean the end of complimentary upgrades on LAX/SFO ex EWR? |
Originally Posted by SEA1K4EVR
(Post 24979090)
I don't buy the snobbery factor. Someone above mentioned EWR is to JFK as SFO is to to OAK.... but I don't agree on that either. EWR has many international carriers flying there, and is a huge hub for UA. Oakland is not EWR. I think UA will do just fine on PS flights when they move them to Newark..they'll have to do some marketing to get people used to the change and of course if they want premium customers they will need to keep up the product standards.. but EWR vs JFK just isn't that big of a deal for people going to Manhattan.
You might get savvy people flying from the secondary or tertiary airport (easier for me to get to from where I originate, always playing the one-up angle) but most people still gravitate to the principal airport - especially foreigners (I know many NYLON types who have never been to EWR and affect not to know where it is) and people unfamiliar with NYC geography. No doubt UA as a secondary airline can remove itself from the top routes and the top airports and survive. But this is not the action of a leading airline. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 24978935)
What *A partners currently have EWR flights? SAS I know, and SQ used to fly from EWR as well as JFK. I would guess that Copa belongs on the list. Any others? Does AC even fly into EWR?
Both Lufthansa and SAS have fairly nice lounges at the international-carrier terminal B pier at EWR. They are accessible with a *G card and a UA domestic boarding pass, as you would expect, although it takes some effort to get into that pier. |
Good riddance. Getting to JFK is a debacle from almost everywhere on the island of manhattan if you travel during waking hours. I've spent more time getting cross town in the middle of the day than I'd like to admit. And your next best option is connecting from the ACE to a 20 minute ride on the air train? No thanks.
The lounge in T7 was a joke and the lack of dedicated precheck didn't help matters either. Glad to see this place go. I wonder what they will do about those of us already cleared into R? Hopefully they leave us where we are. One downside I can see here is no longer being able to do mileage upgrades without a copay east-coast to west-coast. I also assume that CPU will be going away from EWR, though I doubt that mattered much unless you are GS. |
When it comes to the "snob factor" and ranking NYC airports, in reality none of the NYC airports can be considered "top airports," so I'm not sure that should be a deciding factor.
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Originally Posted by dparkinson
(Post 24979037)
This is clearly a B6 reaction. You can't have a plane that's 28J and offer 1000$ RT J Seats and make a profit when you have no connecting feed. That said, it's not like PS flights ever went out with empty seats.
As for *A, I believe SN is the only European *A carrier that flies into JFK and not EWR. SAA is served at IAD if you need a west coast connection. But good point about the profit. There's also a cost side for UA to operate out of JFK, and at $1000 RT fares, maybe it's too low for UA to justify the continued costs. |
Good news for this leisure flier. JFK is over-rated and has horrible public transit to Manhattan. Just leave LGA unscathed. That's a great little airport, and convenient.
To the "snob factor" mentioned a few posts above - 100% correct. NYC airports are an embarrassment in general vs. Asia, Europe. |
Originally Posted by hirohito888
(Post 24979196)
But good point about the profit. There's also a cost side for UA to operate out of JFK, and at $1000 RT fares, maybe it's too low for UA to justify the continued costs.
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Originally Posted by dparkinson
(Post 24979037)
As for *A, I believe SN is the only European *A carrier that flies into JFK and not EWR. SAA is served at IAD if you need a west coast connection.
(Bold indicates route not duplicated at EWR by same carrier) (Italics indicates route duplicated by UA at EWR) AC: YYZ CA: PEK AI: DEL, BOM NH: NRT OZ: ICN OS: VIE AV: BOG, CLO, CTG, MDE, PEI, SAL, SAP SN: BRU MS: CAI BR: TPE LO: WAW LH: FRA, MUC SQ: FRA (SIN) SA: JNB LX: GVA, ZRH TK: IST International Star routes to EWR: (Bold indicates route not duplicated at JFK by same carrier) (Italics indicates route duplicated by a Star carrier at JFK) AC: YYC, YYZ, YVR, YUL AI: BOM, AMD OS: VIE LH: DUS, FRA, MUC SK: CPH, OSL, ARN LX: ZRH TP: LIS, OPO UA: AMS, ANU, AUA, BCN, PEK, TXL, BHX, BOG, BRU, CUN, DEL, DUB, EDI, FRA, GVA, GLA, GUA, HAM, HKG, LIM, LIS, LHR, MAD, MAN, MEX, MXP, MBJ, BOM, MUC, NAS, PTY, CDG, POS, PLS, POP, PVR, PUJ, SJO, SJD, SAP, SDQ, STI, GRU, PVG, SNN, SXM, STT, TLV, NRT, ZRH UA seasonal: BFS, BZE, BDA, BON, CZM, GCM, LIR, NCL, OSL, FCO, SAL, YYT, UVF, STT, ARN, YVR, VCE Really I think it's a wash, especially considering how many more connections UA can offer ex-EWR on their own metal to the destinations of most of those carriers that only have a select few flights to JFK. SK and TP appear to be the odd Star carriers that have selected EWR over JFK. So basically, unless if you're going to Cairo, somewhere in Colombia that's not Bogota, Taipei, Seoul, Warsaw, Istanbul, or Johannesburg, you can catch a flight to the same destination from EWR, even if (shudder) it's on UA metal, which is probably what UA cares more about anyway. It's also worth considering that there's probably a fair amount of duplication if you also include IAD as well. |
Originally Posted by Weez_1000
(Post 24979023)
While an inconvenience for people out on the island and possibly some in the outer boroughs. EWR is definitely more convenient for people in Manhattan, 3 stops from NY Penn Station is pretty nice.
And by the way, EWR is "convenient" as the crow flies, but making the subway-to-NJ Transit-to-Airtrain connection with heavy bags is no picnic, and cabs to/from EWR get really expensive, really quickly, not to mention the horrible tunnel delays that can't be avoided. I never willingly choose EWR over JFK from Midtown. I'm sure the beancounters have lots of spiffy charts and graphs justifying the move, but it sure smells like retreat. |
If you didn't need more reasons to leave United this is it.
What JFK has that EWR does not ( for the ps crowd) is the 30 minute check in luggage cut off). EWR I think 45 minutes? I once showed up 25 minutes before the flight and was accepted ( with supervisor approval) luggage and myself, walked to the plane. I made it ( with checked bags) There is no way this is happening at EWR with the security line. |
It also signals a desire to return to the pre-merger UA strategy of providing international premium connectors with quality products on domestic transcon segments. Before, most connections between UA's largest international hubs of EWR and SFO were on narrowbody equipment with small, substandard F cabins.
Now, UA can sell premium itineraries from either coast to the entire Europe or Asia networks with flat bed seats all or nearly all the way. If the local traffic isn't generating a premium, then UA can look to flow to make up the difference. That wasn't possible at JFK with limited/no online feed and impractical connections to partners. |
So let me get this straight. UA is going to promote a PS experience at EWR where between say 3:30 and 7 PM there are no seats available in either of the clubs. Won't this make that situation worse??????
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Originally Posted by milesmuncher
(Post 24979111)
Agreed - the "what about *A connections at JFK?!?" argument is pretty weak.
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