UGH. Seriously. :td:
Originally Posted by kluau88
(Post 24978878)
My guess is the JFK base will start working the sUA flights ex-EWR (dom/intl) if they already haven't done so.
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This is clearly a B6 reaction. You can't have a plane that's 28J and offer 1000$ RT J Seats and make a profit when you have no connecting feed. That said, it's not like PS flights ever went out with empty seats.
As for *A, I believe SN is the only European *A carrier that flies into JFK and not EWR. SAA is served at IAD if you need a west coast connection. |
Surprised no one ever discusses VX when it comes to transcons. Their premium product is old, but a lot of SF tech companies are loyal to VX, and a lot of people fly those planes in economy. VX flies to both SFO/LAX from both EWR/JFK and isn't going away anytime soon, which will may keep rates down.
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Originally Posted by tarheelnj
(Post 24978978)
LH big time. Better connections with earlier arrivals to some EU airports, like EWR-DUS-BUD, which I've done several times.
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In shock. This is quite dumb on a few different levels (IMHO):
1. Abandoning JFK and the traditional coast to coast market for HVF clientele -- particularly in LA where many are accustomed to flying into Kennedy, the premier NY airport (Sorry, EWR is just not. I'm from NJ and it's hard to defend that POS.) 2. Flooding the EWR-SFO/LAX with all those seats? LAX 15x, SFO 17x? I'm sorry, isn't UA is a mainline shortage? Why not just keep the frequencies down using all flatbed and use the mainline to continue to phase out ERJ? This approach is not going to last. 3. Part of the CO ignorance we've seen since day one of the merger. Fortress EWR is king, even though operationally it's a huge embarrassment. Just look at all the diversions yesterday. 4. Question on DL slots at EWR -- are these slots not used that DL is giving up at EWR? I'd hate for them to trim their schedules. They just started flying EWR-LHR! |
Originally Posted by JVPhoto
(Post 24978877)
Have you never heard of the AirTrain from NYP?
Most people are taking black cars. You have basically one way off the island going west in the Lincoln Tunnel vs. multiple ways to get east |
Originally Posted by REPUBLIC757
(Post 24979057)
In shock. This is quite dumb on a few different levels (IMHO):
2. Flooding the EWR-SFO/LAX with all those seats? LAX 15x, SFO 17x? I'm sorry, isn't UA is a mainline shortage? Why not just keep the frequencies down using all flatbed and use the mainline to continue to phase out ERJ? This approach is not going to last. So 737s, Airbus aircraft get freed up for other routes. I will miss the JFK station. Won't miss going to/from JFK. |
Originally Posted by LASUA1K
(Post 24978703)
I'm sorry, but this is a bad bad bad decision. People in the west coast, dislike EWR, and they will take business elsewhere. I remember hearing UA was making money on this route now they are not? Is it because First went away on the route?
I really don't understand how a world class airline, won't serve JFK. Sorry, but this is a big loss, and a dumb move by UA. |
Originally Posted by Weez_1000
(Post 24979023)
While an inconvenience for people out on the island and possibly some in the outer boroughs. EWR is definitely more convenient for people in Manhattan, 3 stops from NY Penn Station is pretty nice.
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Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 24979018)
I really disagree.
EWR is not going to support the premium fares UA wants from these flights. ps has always been about the high dollar banking/entertainment/fashion industry traffic, and that traffic prefers JFK. When UA and CO merged, CO was selling lie flats SFO-EWR on the int'l 752 for 1/3 the price of ps SFO-JFK. I don't buy the snobbery factor. Someone above mentioned EWR is to JFK as SFO is to to OAK.... but I don't agree on that either. EWR has many international carriers flying there, and is a huge hub for UA. Oakland is not EWR. I think UA will do just fine on PS flights when they move them to Newark..they'll have to do some marketing to get people used to the change and of course if they want premium customers they will need to keep up the product standards.. but EWR vs JFK just isn't that big of a deal for people going to Manhattan. |
Originally Posted by entropy
(Post 2497903)
pmUnited had said it was profitable in their low-density 3 class 757s...
The market is radically different now, and still evolving. Premium cabin fares are at all-time lows and capacity is at all-time highs. As much as I would love to see UA remain in the JFK market for my own reasons, I can't fault them if the operation was bleeding red ink, and not all of it was self-inflicted.
Originally Posted by eefor jfp
(Post 24979055)
Isn't the EWR-DUS flight going away with the closing of the LH base in Dusseldorf? in any case, all intra-European DUS flights are now operated by GermanWings/EuroWings except those to FRA and MUC. So what you've done several times (go via DUS) won't be possible in the future.
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Fond memories of United at JFK. No fond memories of United at EWR! ;)
Guess United couldn't handle the competition from DL, AA, B6 and VX on those routes. |
Originally Posted by dparkinson
(Post 24979037)
As for *A, I believe SN is the only European *A carrier that flies into JFK and not EWR. SAA is served at IAD if you need a west coast connection.
I'm in favor, mostly out of selfish reasons - having family in NJ and being more "west side" oriented when I'm back in NYC. Personally, I've always found getting to JFK to be much more of a nightmare than EWR from Manhattan. |
Well, this will be interesting to watch play out. As many have noted, UA management thinks they know everything about running an airline, but this seems a little shortsighted.
One thing that could be interesting though, if they partner with Gotham Air or Blade for integrated, one-ticket helicopter transfers like Continental did with US Helicopter back in the day, it could eliminate some of the transfer issues that people have. |
Originally Posted by red grenadine
(Post 24979089)
Biz class PS passengers are not taking the Airtrain and NJ Transit to Penn station
If you strip away the allure of the JFK name it comes out to a wash with EWR. A dinky T7 for UA flights, have you been stuck there for hours over EWR C? Have you seen the security clusterfudge by way of gong show at T4 for the evening departures? |
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