This will increasing make *A flights at JFK O&D as there will be fewer convenient feeder flights operated by partners. NYC is a big O&D market, but some partners operate nonstop flights to/from some rather exotic destinations that aren't easily served via other routes. The major *A partners at JFK to Europe were mostly LH group airlines, and of those, LX, and LH both have nonstops out of SFO and LAX so its not like it was a seamless connection out of JFK. |
Several FT'ers called the JFK>EWR switch for p.s. in the thread on JFK-IAD cancellation.
I think it's very likely p.s. will be entirely eliminated at some point. Typical UA - death by a thousand cuts. Also agree with many other FT'ers in this thread - this is a devaluation of *A, as it eliminates the possibility of west coast fliers connecting in JFK to *A carriers who serve JFK. |
nice for LAX passengers flying long-haul to Europe to get flat beds the whole way - I never even considered UA to Europe because half the travel time would be in domestic F.
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Originally Posted by jmr50
(Post 24978900)
One of the nice things about the P.S. product was guaranteed decent wifi. The 757 fleet ex-P.S. is a big question mark. Will that Wifi upgrade get completed prior to the closure of JFK, or should business travelers who want Wifi book basically anybody else?
Originally Posted by RockinPete
(Post 24978910)
United plans to swap its slots at Kennedy with Delta Air Lines Inc. and take Delta’s slots at Newark.
Yea... because those slots at EWR are just as valuable as JFK.
Originally Posted by gengar
(Post 24978943)
Also agree with many other FT'ers in this thread - this is a devaluation of *A, as it eliminates the possibility of west coast fliers connecting in JFK to *A carriers who serve JFK.
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I think this is a huge win for jetBlue... all the *A carriers will partner with them for transcons (as some already have) rather than AA/DL.
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Proof that United can't compete on product. At all.
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
(Post 24978831)
They will not be able to sustain hourly PS service as they will lose a ton of West Coast traffic to AA, DL and JetBlue. Then PS will pooof away into the sunset.
Originally Posted by red grenadine
(Post 24978856)
Getting to/from Newark from Midtown Manhattan is a disaster. They are going to lose a decent chunk of customers
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 24978935)
What *A partners currently have EWR flights? SAS I know, and SQ used to fly from EWR as well as JFK. I would guess that Copa belongs on the list. Any others? Does AC even fly into EWR?
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 24978935)
What *A partners currently have EWR flights? SAS I know, and SQ used to fly from EWR as well as JFK. I would guess that Copa belongs on the list. Any others? Does AC even fly into EWR?
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Originally Posted by red grenadine
(Post 24978856)
Getting to/from Newark from Midtown Manhattan is a disaster. They are going to lose a decent chunk of customers
What UA is saying...and they are right...is that they can't possibly please everyone everywhere. If JFK is your airport then you need to choose AA or DL. But at EWR.. UA is going to be by far your best option for a mainline carrier. |
Originally Posted by ACVBear
(Post 24978886)
... I wouldn't be shocked if UA eliminated PS in a few years when they find that they lost a LOT of business from NYC customers and can't sustain PS on hub-to-hub feeders
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Originally Posted by SEA1K4EVR
(Post 24978992)
Overall this is a smart move for UA. There really was no reason to keep those 2 very lucrative routes isolated at JFK from the rest of all those feeder flights at EWR...it made no sense.
What UA is saying...and they are right...is that they can't possibly please everyone everywhere. If JFK is your airport then you need to choose AA or DL. But at EWR.. UA is going to be by far your best option for a mainline carrier. EWR is not going to support the premium fares UA wants from these flights. ps has always been about the high dollar banking/entertainment/fashion industry traffic, and that traffic prefers JFK. When UA and CO merged, CO was selling lie flats SFO-EWR on the int'l 752 for 1/3 the price of ps SFO-JFK. |
Originally Posted by amartin1979
(Post 24978665)
Wow. Another reason to abandon United for NYC travel.
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What UA is saying...and they are right...is that they can't possibly please everyone everywhere. If JFK is your airport then you need to choose AA or DL. But at EWR.. UA is going to be by far your best option for a mainline carrier. pmUnited had said it was profitable in their low-density 3 class 757s... |
I have really, really enjoyed using SDC between JFK & LGA. Perhaps now we could beg for EWR & LGA to be a co-terminal? Rrrrrrright.
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