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Baze Jun 13, 2015 10:18 pm

Does anybody have any actual information about this or are we going to read nothing but negative speculation?

FlyWorld Jun 13, 2015 10:35 pm


Originally Posted by Baze (Post 24966819)
Does anybody have any actual information about this or are we going to read nothing but negative speculation?

Are you suggesting that all the facts reported thus far are speculation?

Are you suggesting the plane didn't divert? Or, the passengers were put into a hotel? Or, they were fed? Or, United Contintal did communicate? Or, they weren't sent to EWR?

Which reported facts are you disputing and why?

kettle1 Jun 13, 2015 10:44 pm


Originally Posted by Baze (Post 24966819)
Does anybody have any actual information about this or are we going to read nothing but negative speculation?

Throw some of that UA positive spin on this one. BAZE you need to try other carriers. Nothing personal. This is what I have read:

1. The PAX were taken to Military dormitories.

2. The PAX were given NO info from UA on what was going on.

3. The PAX were given NO food for several hours.

4. The PAX were given two blankets.

5. The flight crew were put up in a hotel.

6. The flight went to EWR from Goose Bay, not onto LHR.

FAIL, FAIL, FAIL on UA!

UA has turned into a joke.

UA should have refunded every person on that flt and given another free trip. That would have kept this mess out of social media. ANOTHER UA FAILURE!

If I was on that flt, I would be pissed and I would contact UA, the media and let people know how UA treats people.

As for the brave soldiers in the Canadian Military. They joined. The PAX on UA did not. I served my time in the US Air Force and I know when I am being treated bad. UA you failed big time on this one!

tom911 Jun 13, 2015 11:25 pm

One of the passengers posted an hour ago on the Daily Mail site:

I was on this flight, we are still trying to get to London. It's an absolute nightmare and we are being treated very poorly here - people have a right to be upset. Sleeping in cold barracks, having a note posted outside getting changed every hour and united airlines ignoring every call and confrontation - it's a nightmare.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3d0jORWzi

Another post by a resident of Goose Bay an hour ago:


These barracks are steam heated, the heating is shut off every Spring. It has been cooler than usual in Goose Bay recently and it takes a few days to fire up the heating again. Also, these barracks are sparsely used so aren't fitted out like the regularly used barracks. I heard someone say there was folks running around in the early hours rounding up towels and blankets as they aren't provided but there wasn't enough time to make sure every room had extra blankets.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3d0maqj77

Maybe UA will get a press release out on Monday.

Kacee Jun 13, 2015 11:51 pm


Originally Posted by NewportGuy (Post 24966750)
How did the crew clear customs then?

The way they usually do.

It's not uncommon to hold pax from a diverted flight in a sterile area. It's likely some percentage did not have visas for Canada.

HkCaGu Jun 14, 2015 12:23 am


Originally Posted by LASUA1K (Post 24966566)
Sorry but if you don't have a spare then people doing scheduling have an issue. If you don't have a spare you cancel another flight and get those passengers off of Goose Bay. If you can't do that EWR has several 757's that could've been sent up to pick up the passengers and get them to LHR.

Exactly. You cancel any flight on a ten-times-a-day route to rescue them. Or wait, isn't EWR-LHR itself a high frequency route already? Back when HNL-GUM became HNL-MDY, they canceled a sUA 772 to fly HNL-MDY-HNL and the passengers were only there for a few hours. How can they cancel ex-HNL on demand and can't for EWR?

yevlesh2 Jun 14, 2015 1:20 am

Ok, either we are missing something here, or UA is really hitting new lows:

1) It took them 20 hours to actually get the passengers out of Goose Bay
2) After those 20 hours, the passengers were flown to EWR
3) After arriving at EWR, the passengers spent yet another 3 hours sitting around EWR and then took the same exact plane to LHR. UA 2063 - still en route to LHR right now.

This really sounds like pure insanity from an operational standpoint.


BTW, looks like today's UA 925 made a (brief) diversion to Goose Bay as well.

flyallegheny Jun 14, 2015 6:35 am


Originally Posted by yevlesh2 (Post 24967136)
BTW, looks like today's UA 925 made a (brief) diversion to Goose Bay as well.

Yes, it looks like UA 925 LHR-IAD stopped there. UA 2065 YYR-EWR looks like it was an unscheduled flight for other refugees.

FlyWorld Jun 14, 2015 6:58 am


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 24966951)
...Maybe UA will get a press release out on Monday.

They have finally spoken.

Full of compassion and truth, as usual.

"United Airlines spokesperson Hallie Eisenpress said in a statement that "hotel space was not available, so we accommodated our customers at a local military base and provided meals.""

http://www.kmbz.com/Passengers-Aboar...ight-/21633226

boss315 Jun 14, 2015 7:19 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 24966230)
Although if the problem really was an inoperable rudder, I'd be pretty happy to be back on the ground.

UA fleet stretched so thin right now, probably no spare widebodies to send to pick them up.

Hell of a way to run an airline.

Ain't NO way to run any business, much less a customer service oriented one! Feel so bad for all of the PX.....prisoners are treated better than that....oh, they were prisoners of UA...very similar to experiences I had before leaving UA...except I was in a place with hotels and snacks.

LASUA1K Jun 14, 2015 8:27 am

Again, UA didn't have 2 757's to get those people to LHR? It's a joke, 20 hours just to be flown to EWR. Who made that idiotic decision?

NewportGuy Jun 14, 2015 8:27 am


Originally Posted by Baze (Post 24966819)
Does anybody have any actual information about this or are we going to read nothing but negative speculation?

You do know of course that we have United spokespersons who post here from time to time (not naming names, as there are several). But notice that when various United supporters post their press releases and other "good news" items, they are all over the place eager to talk. But few of these "supporters" seem to show up when United's customer service fails happen.

I know it is against the rules to call out individual posters, but it does seem a bit disingenuous to wave the flag only when it is sunshine and puppy dogs. This was a colossal fail, and you would think United would be falling all over themselves to apologize and explain.

cfischer Jun 14, 2015 8:39 am


Originally Posted by flyallegheny (Post 24967704)
Yes, it looks like UA 925 LHR-IAD stopped there. UA 2065 YYR-EWR looks like it was an unscheduled flight for other refugees.

what an idiotic decisions (if planned to pick up pax). Now they had a flight from LHR arriving past 10 p.m. which means the last flight bank is gone and on top of all the disgruntled folks in YYR they have to accommodate all the connecting LHR pax in IAD as well which was already in bad shape with 2 other widebody MX cancellation yesterday.

BearX220 Jun 14, 2015 9:04 am


Originally Posted by minnyfly (Post 24966332)
If the mechanics are doing this on purpose (seems possible), they're only shooting themselves in the foot. This isn't how you will get better contracts.

UA employee groups have a decades-long history of throwing customers under the bus to score points against management. Nothing new here.


Originally Posted by NewportGuy (Post 24968004)
I know it is against the rules to call out individual posters, but it does seem a bit disingenuous to wave the flag only when it is sunshine and puppy dogs. This was a colossal fail, and you would think United would be falling all over themselves to apologize and explain.

You're seeing an immature but not uncommon view of the job of external communications: ignore / evade bad news, embrace little bits of cheer. It's typical at a lot of poorly run companies. They resent explaining themselves to customers and think bad news will evaporate by itself. In fact it metastasizes and drives their brand into the ground, but you can never convince them of that. This is a hallmark of companies that run on internal fear and anger. At United you will hear not a word about a cancel / delay / diversion leader board as long as your arm, not a syllable of response to livid customers venting to the Daily Mail, but there will be a cheery dispatch about an extra olive coming soon to first class salads. It's ridiculous and irrational but there you have it.

Kacee Jun 14, 2015 9:10 am

"This Experience Redefines A Travel Nightmare."
 
That's the quote on Good Morning America this morning.

Passengers Aboard Diverted United Airlines Flight Spend Night in Unheated Military Barracks.

A public relations disaster, as it absolutely should be.


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