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Old Jan 23, 2015, 7:28 am
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Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA , Lufthansa or COPA

Partner PlusPoints Upgrade Awards

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with PlusPoints (note to use miles is a separate process) see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA , Lufthansa or COPA You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Partner PlusPoints Upgrade Awards

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply PlusPounts

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not

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Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P,Z-class LH flights with a PlusPoints. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the R, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist. The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS (amadeus altea) rejected online and agent checkin. The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate set of PlusPoints
A single set of PlusPoints can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that PlusPoints cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH upgrades to reflect this change.

Premium Eco To Biz Upgrade

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Codeshare with UA fare classes are not eligible for upgrades on LH.

LH requires 40 PlusPloints for G fares
Archive Thread: Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic {Archive}

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Old Mar 2, 2024, 11:04 am
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There is no such thing as upgrading to prem eco on LH, you will directly WL for business.
You need a LH flight number, not a UA flight number. You will need the account login info, there is no way around that. Once logged into the 1K account then the ‘upgrade with +P’ form that you already found will work. Simply add name, route and flight number. UA cannot do this for you, your boss or someone with knowledge of the account info needs to do it. That’s all that is needed. Might go on the WL, but LH clearance rates are very high.
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Old Mar 4, 2024, 11:33 pm
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Hi, I’m trying to upgrade Lh430 from D to O on July 15th. Seems like cabin is empty. But getting this error (ie not even going to waitlist). any suggestions?

We cannot process your request.

Inventory not available and no waitlist exists
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Old Mar 5, 2024, 5:03 am
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I am a newby to all of this upgrade stuff. I want to use my plus points.

I have a business class ticket on Lufthansa on April 20 from MUC to JFK with a P fare. I bought the ticket through United. I called United to change the flight from a code share to the Lufthansa flight number and then asked them to upgrade me from business class to first class with plus points. They changed the flight number to the Lufthansa flight number and then said I could not upgrade. After searching online, I learned that only certain fare types are upgradable. It looks like I would need a C, D, or J fare to be upgrade eligible.

Is there any way to change the fare class so that I can upgrade to first with plus points?
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Old Mar 5, 2024, 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by Vesalius
Is there any way to change the fare class so that I can upgrade to first with plus points?
You have upfare, ie pay a higher fare to get into D. No other way. The cost will be less if you try to upgrade via myoffer or the upsell on LH.com
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Old Mar 5, 2024, 5:21 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
You have upfare, ie pay a higher fare to get into D. No other way. The cost will be less if you try to upgrade via myoffer or the upsell on LH.com
I would second that. P --> D will be a steep upfare. I'd check what lufthansa.com is offering to confirm F - $1300 is not too uncommonly seen TATL these days. Myoffer hasn't been working for me on 016 tickets for a long time, not sure why.
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Old Mar 5, 2024, 5:22 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
You have upfare, ie pay a higher fare to get into D. No other way. The cost will be less if you try to upgrade via myoffer or the upsell on LH.com
I went on LH.com. A cash upgrade from business to first is listed at $3,900. It’s not worth it.

How do I upgrade via “myoffer”? I don’t see that option.
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Old Mar 5, 2024, 6:02 am
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Should I just keep trying every few days and see if it changes?
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Old Mar 11, 2024, 12:20 pm
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Hi folks: OK so I have successfully used PP to upgrade an LH flight from E premium economy to Business class.

My plans have changed and I had to cancel my trip. Except when I did this I didn't get my 40 PP redeposited. In the past this used to happen immediately. But so far nothing.

Do you think i should give it a day or two to see if any sort of system sweep happens, or instead should I call UA proactively?

Thanks!
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Old Mar 11, 2024, 3:15 pm
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Quick follow-up question — how does one view LH O space? I don't see it on ExpertFlyer (I only have the Basic subscription). I assume it's like other fare classes where it should show up as O0 when there isn't any, but just wondering. Thanks.
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Old Mar 11, 2024, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by NYC MP 2017
Quick follow-up question — how does one view LH O space? I don't see it on ExpertFlyer (I only have the Basic subscription). I assume it's like other fare classes where it should show up as O0 when there isn't any, but just wondering. Thanks.
No longer available in EF

ExpertFlyer no longer offering *A award/upgrade inventory data/alerts? Alternatives?
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Old Mar 11, 2024, 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by NYC MP 2017 (Post # 474)
Quick follow-up question — how does one view LH O space?
For clarity and as a reminder to others such as myself:

UA O, A, R =
LH G, E, N
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Old Mar 11, 2024, 9:23 pm
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For clarity and as a reminder to others such as myself:

UA O, A, R =
LH G, E, N
Question was about LH O space (not UA O inventory) which is upgrade / award space for LH Intl F

Originally Posted by NYC MP 2017
Quick follow-up question — how does one view LH O space? ....
Look for LH F award space on UA award search
Determining LH Y/E/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]
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Old Mar 12, 2024, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by ualboston1k
Hi folks: OK so I have successfully used PP to upgrade an LH flight from E premium economy to Business class.

My plans have changed and I had to cancel my trip. Except when I did this I didn't get my 40 PP redeposited. In the past this used to happen immediately. But so far nothing.

Do you think i should give it a day or two to see if any sort of system sweep happens, or instead should I call UA proactively?

Thanks!
Sometimes does not return automatically. I'd contact UA MP to get it refunded

Originally Posted by NYC MP 2017
Quick follow-up question — how does one view LH O space? I don't see it on ExpertFlyer (I only have the Basic subscription). I assume it's like other fare classes where it should show up as O0 when there isn't any, but just wondering. Thanks.
EF was never good for this. You need LH 'O' not what they make available to partners. Looking for F awards on the LH side directly is a good way to do this IME
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Old Mar 12, 2024, 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
You need LH 'O' not what they make available to partners. Looking for F awards on the LH side directly is a good way to do this IME
And there are web sites that will still do this for you, even though EF won't any more.
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Old Mar 13, 2024, 12:28 am
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Originally Posted by fmpacheco
Should I just keep trying every few days and see if it changes?
hi All, just checking here with some of the experts, if there is anything I can do?
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