Determining LH Y/E/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

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Old Jul 27, 11, 6:30 am
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Question Determining LH Y/E/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

I'm looking at a TATL trip this fall in Y and upgrading with SWUs, and I'm not seeing much C availability on UA metal (let alone NC) - so I'm contemplating booking LH and playing their day-of-flight upgrade lottery. Is there anywhere I can check to see what their loads in C have been like for a given route?

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Old Jul 27, 11, 10:48 am
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not that I know of... you could post a few dates and the regulars will helpfully guesstimate loads
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Old Jul 27, 11, 10:58 am
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PHL-FRA on 9/9 or 9/10 and FRA-PHL on 9/23
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Old Jul 27, 11, 12:02 pm
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outbound I would say 9/9 is a safe bet, 9/10 is OKish:

Code:
AD9SEPPHLFRA/ALH                                                                
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** FRA FRANKFURT.DE              44 FR 09SEP 0000  

 1US:LH5241  J4 C4 D4 Y4 B4 M4 U4 /PHL A FRA 1  1620    0610+1E0/333       7:50 
             H4 Q4 V4 W4                                                        
 2   LH 427  J9 C9 D9 Z8 Y9 B9 M9 /PHL A FRA 1  1740    0755+1E0/343       8:15 
             U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T7                                               
 
SM LH 0427/Y/09SEPPHLFRA/V                               /S001/                 
SM LH  0427  Y 09SEP PHLFRA        343                                          
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                           
M 15 <B           /  /     /           B> 15 M                                  
  16 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 16                                    
  18 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 18                                    
  19 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 19                                    
  20 <   +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +   > 20                                    
  21 <   +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +   > 21                                    
  22 <   +  +     +  .  .  .     +  +   > 22                                    
  23 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 23                                    
  24 <   +  +     .  .  .  +     +  +   > 24                                    
  25 <   +  +     .  .  .  +     +  +   > 25                                    
  26 <   +  +     .  +  +  .     +  +   > 26                                    
  27 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 27                                    
  29              +  I  I  /              29                                    
  30  E  /  /     /  /  /  /     +  /  E  30                                    
  31     +  +     .  .  +  +     +  +     31                                    
  32     +  +     .  .  .  .     .  +     32                                    
  33     +  +     /  .  .  .     +  +     33                                    
  34     +  +     .  .  .  /     +  +     34                                    
  35     +  +     .  +  +  +     +  +     35                                    
  36     +  +     .  .  +  +     +  +     36                                    
  37     +  +     +  +  +  .     .  +     37                                    
  38     +  .     +  +  .  .     +  +     38                                    
  39     .  .     .  .  +  +     .  .     39                                    
  40     /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /     40                                    
  41     /  /     /  /     /     /  /     41                                    
  42     .  .     .  .     .     +  +     42                                    
  43     +  +     U  U     U     +  +     43                                    
  44     +  +     .  .     .     +  +     44                                    
  45     +  +     .  .     .     .  +     45                                    
  46     +  +                    .  .     46                                    
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                           
. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT               
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET               
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L TOILET  U UMNR              
() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR              

SM LH  0427  C 09SEP PHLFRA        343                                          
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 
C  1     +  +     .  .     .  .    1  C                                         
   2     +  +     .  .     +  +    2                                            
   3     U  U     .  .     .  .    3                                            
   4     .  .     .  .     +  .    4                                            
   5     .  .     H  H     .  .    5                                            
   6              .  .             6                                            
  10     C  I     C  I     I  C    10                                           
  11 <   .  .     .  .     .  .  > 11                                           
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                

AD10SEPPHLFRA/ALH                                                               
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** FRA FRANKFURT.DE              45 SA 10SEP 0000  

 1US:LH5241  J4 C4 D4 Z4 Y4 B4 M4 /PHL A FRA 1  1620    0610+1E0/333       7:50 
             U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4                                                     
 2   LH 427  J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 ML /PHL A FRA 1  1740    0755+1E0/343       8:15 
             UL H9 QL VL WL SL                                                  

SM LH 0427/C/10SEPPHLFRA/V                                                      
SM LH  0427  C 10SEP PHLFRA        343                                          
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 
C  1     .        .  +        +    1  C                                         
   2     +        .  .        +    2                                            
   3     +  +     +  .     +  +    3                                            
   4     .  .     .  .     .  .    4                                            
  10     C  I     C  I     I  C    10                                           
  11 <   U  U     .  .     .  .  > 11                                           
  12 <   .  .     H  H     .  .  > 12                                           
  14 <   .  .     +  +     .  .  > 14                                           
  15 <   .  .     .  .     .  .  > 15                                           
  16 <   .  .     .  .     .  .  > 16                                           
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
SM LH 0427/Y/10SEPPHLFRA/V                                                      
SM LH  0427  Y 10SEP PHLFRA        343                                          
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                           
M 24 <B  +  +     /  /     /     +  .  B> 24 M                                  
  25 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     +  V   > 25                                    
  26 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 26                                    
  27 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 27                                    
  29              /  I  I  /              29                                    
  30  E  /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /  E  30                                    
  31     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     31                                    
  32     +  +     +  +  .  +     +  +     32                                    
  33     +  +     /  .  +  +     +  +     33                                    
  34     +  +     +  +  .  /     +  +     34                                    
  35     +  +     +  +  .  +     +  .     35                                    
  36     +  +     .  +  +  .     +  .     36                                    
  37     .  +     .  +  +  .     +  .     37                                    
  38     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     38                                    
  39     .  +     .  .  .  .     +  .     39                                    
  40     /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /     40                                    
  41     /  /     /  /     /     /  /     41                                    
  42     .  +     .  .     +     +  .     42                                    
  43     +  +     .  .     .     +  U     43                                    
  44     +  .     U  U     U     U  U     44                                    
  45     +  +     .  .     .     X  X     45                                    
  46     .  .     .  .     .     X  X     46                                    
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K
Interesting to see two kinds of 2-class 343 configs. First time I saw that.

Inbound it looks like they are managing to sell C so it may be tight. US Air is running a 767 and a 330 that day to PHL from FRA OTOH its a short day flight that can be slummed out in Y:
Code:
ad23sepfraphl/alh
AD23SEPFRAPHL/ALH                                                               
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** PHL PHILADELPHIA.USPA         58 FR 23SEP 0000  
** LWNYC742 SETAI FIFTH AVENUE*ALL NEW*15PCT OFF BEST AVAIL                     
** FR 506US*15PCT COMM*COMP BRKFAST FOR 2* WIFI >HALWNYC742                     
 1US:LH5228  J4 C4 D4 Z4 Y4 B4 M4 /FRA 1 PHL A  1110    1400  E0/333       8:50 
             U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 T4                                                  
 2US:LH5230  J4 C4 D4 Y4 B4 M4 U4 /FRA 1 PHL A  1250    1555  E0/767       9:05 
             H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 L4 K4                                            
 3   LH 426  J9 C9 D9 ZL Y9 B9 M9 /FRA 1 PHL A  1255    1600  E0/343       9:05 
             U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9                                         

>SM LH 0426/y/23SEPfraphl/V
SM LH 0426/Y/23SEPFRAPHL/V                                                      
SM LH  0426  Y 23SEP FRAPHL        343                                          
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                           
M 15 <B           /  /     /           B> 15 M                                  
  16 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 16                                    
  18 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 18                                    
  19 <   V  V     V  V  V  V     V  V   > 19                                    
  20 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 20                                    
  21 <   +  +     +  +  .  +     +  +   > 21                                    
  22 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 22                                    
  23 <   +  +     +  .  .  .     +  +   > 23                                    
  24 <   +  +     +  .  +  +     +  +   > 24                                    
  25 <   +  +     +  .  .  .     +  +   > 25                                    
  26 <   +  +     +  .  .  .     +  +   > 26                                    
  27 <   +  .     .  .  .  .     .  +   > 27                                    
  29              /  I  I  /              29                                    
  30  E  /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /  E  30                                    
  31     +  +     .  .  .  .     +  +     31                                    
  32     +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +     32                                    
  33     .  .     /  .  .  .     +  .     33                                    
  34     .  .     .  .  .  /     +  .     34                                    
  35     +  +     .  .  +  +     +  +     35                                    
  36     +  +     .  .  .  .     .  +     36                                    
  37     +  +     .  .  .  .     .  .     37                                    
  38     .  .     .  .  .  .     .  .     38                                    
  39     .  .     .  .  .  .     .  .     39                                    
  40     /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /     40                                    
  41     /  /     /  /     /     /  /     41                                    
  42     .  .     .  .     .     +  +     42                                    
  43     .  .     U  U     U     U  U     43                                    
  44     .  .     .  .     .     U  U     44                                    
  45     +  +     .  .     +     .  .     45                                    
  46     .  .                    .  .     46                                    
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                           
             
>SM LH 0426/c/23SEPfraphl/V
SM LH 0426/C/23SEPFRAPHL/V                                                      
SM LH  0426  C 23SEP FRAPHL        343                                          
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 
C  1     +  .     .  .     +  +    1  C                                         
   2     +  +     .  .     .  +    2                                            
   3     U  U     +  +     +  +    3                                            
   4     +  .     +  +     +  +    4                                            
   5     .  .     H  H     .  .    5                                            
   6              .  .             6                                            
  10     C  I     +  +     I  C    10                                           
  11 <   .  .     .  .     .  .  > 11                                           
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT               
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET               
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L TOILET  U UMNR              
() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR              
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Old Jul 28, 11, 3:29 pm
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Can anyone help provide the C & F loads for LH #455 (SFO-FRA) on Sept 23 and LH #454 (FRA-SFO) on Sept 27?

Trying to see what my chances are upgrading from C to F on the A380. Thanks.
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Code:
AD23SEPSFOFRA*27SEP/ALH                                                         
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** FRA FRANKFURT.DE              57 FR 23SEP 0000  
 1   UA 900  F5 C9 D8 Z0 B9 M9 H9 /SFO I FRA 1  1405    0945+1E0.744      10:40 
             Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A4 J9 Y9 E0 U9                             
 2UA:CO4205  J9 C9 D8 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 /SFO I FRA 1  1405    0945+1E0/744      10:40 
             E0 U9 H9 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0                                   
 3LH:UA8828  F2 C4 D4 Z0 B4 M4 H4 /SFO I FRA 1  1415    1000+1E0.388      10:45 
             Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0 J4 Y4 E0 U4                             
 4   LH 455  F6 AL J9 C9 D9 ZL Y9 /SFO I FRA 1  1415    1000+1E0/388      10:45 
             B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 VL WL SL                                            
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** SFO SAN FRANCISCO.USCA        61 TU 27SEP 0000  

                 
11   LH 454  F6 AL J9 C9 D9 ZL Y9 /FRA 1 SFO I  0945    1205  E0/388      11:20 
             B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W8 SL
You should be fine...
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Old Jul 28, 11, 3:59 pm
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A380 Loads out/in SFO-FRA

I am trying to get an idea of what the loads have been like on the A380 both SFO-FRA and FRA-SFO.

Need to book a ticket for August travel and was hoping to use a UA SWU to upgrade from Y -> C on the new bird.

Is the flight going out full? Or is there a chance of a same-day upgrade?
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what specific dates are you looking at?
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C->F chances on LH455

Looking to upgrade from C->F with SWU on the A380 SFO to FRA. Can anybody tell me how it looks on Aug 19 or Aug 20?

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Originally Posted by SMF2SAN View Post
Looking to upgrade from C->F with SWU on the A380 SFO to FRA. Can anybody tell me how it looks on Aug 19 or Aug 20?
Aug 19
F6 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T0 L0 K0

Aug 20
F1 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z0 Y9 B9 M8 U8 H8 Q7 V6 W3 S0 T0 L0 K0
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Can anyone tell me the load on LH 442 on Thursday, 18 Aug? Thanks in advance...
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Looks like the usual summer flight: very full in the back with returning vacationers, C/F moderately booked. Say hi to my old town!

Code:
>dolh442/18aug
DOLH442/18AUG                                                                   
* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO *              LH 442    4 TH 18AUG                    
APT ARR   DY DEP   DY CLASS/MEAL          EQP  GRND  EFT   TTL                  
FRA          1350  TH FAJCDZYBMUH/M       333         9:00                      
                      QVWSTLK/M                                                 
DTW 1650  TH                                                9:00                
                                                                                
COMMENTS-                                                                       
 1.FRA DTW   - DEPARTS TERMINAL 1                                               
 2.FRA DTW   - ARRIVES TERMINAL N                                               
 9.FRA DTW   - F8C48M165                                                        
                                                                                
CONFIGURATION-                                                                  
               333  F   8   C  48   M 165                                       
>ad18augfradtw1330/alh
AD18AUGFRADTW1330/ALH                                                           
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** DTW DETROIT METRO.USMI         4 TH 18AUG 1330  
 1   LH 442  F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 /FRA 1 DTW N  1350    1650  E0/333       9:00 
             B9 M3 U3 H2 Q2 V2 W1 S1 T3                                         

SM LH 0442/F/18AUGFRADTW/V                               /S001/                 
SM LH  0442  F 18AUG FRADTW        333                                          
        A     D  G     K                                                        
F  1    .     +  +     +   1  F                                                 
   2    .     .  .     .   2                                                    
        A     D  G     K                                                        
                                                                                
SM LH 0442/C/18AUGFRADTW/V                                                      
SM LH  0442  C 18AUG FRADTW        333                                          
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 
C  3     +  +     +  +     +  +    3  C                                         
   4     +  +     +  +     +  +    4                                            
  10     C  I     C  I     I  C    10                                           
  11 <   U  U     .  .     +  .  > 11                                           
  12 <   .  .     H  H     .  .  > 12                                           
  14 <   +  +     +  +     +  .  > 14                                           
  15 <   .  .     .  .     .  .  > 15                                           
  16 <   .  .     .  .     .  .  > 16                                           
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 

SM LH  0442  Y 18AUG FRADTW        333                                          
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                           
M 24 <B  +  +     /  /     /     +  +  B> 24 M                                  
  25 <   +  +     V  V  V  +     +  V   > 25                                    
  26 <   V  +     V  V  V  +     +  +   > 26                                    
  27 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 27                                    
  29              +  +  +  +              29                                    
  30  E  +  /     /  /  /  /     +  /  E  30                                    
  31     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     31                                    
  32     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     32                                    
  33     +  +     /  +  +  +     +  +     33                                    
  34     +  +     +  +  +  /     +  +     34                                    
  35     +  +     /  +  +  +     +  +     35                                    
  36     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     36                                    
  37     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     37                                    
  38     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     38                                    
  39     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     39                                    
  40     /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /     40                                    
  41     /  /     /  /     /     /  /     41                                    
  42     +  +     +  +     +     +  +     42                                    
  43     +  +     +  +     +     +  +     43                                    
  44     +  +     +  +     +     +  +     44                                    
  45     +  +     +  +     +     +  +     45                                    
  46     +  +     +  +     +     +  +     46                                    
         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                           
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT               
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET               
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L TOILET  U UMNR              
() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR              
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