Protest against United's planned changes to MileagePlus
#16
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Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 10, 2014 at 2:51 pm Reason: removed unneeded disparaging remark
#18
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As others have said, the only way for a company to get a msg is to vote with your wallet. This former 1K and present Plat only qualified for Silver for next year and will probably not even make that next year.
Stop flying and buying services from United, period. That is the only way they will notice.
Stop flying and buying services from United, period. That is the only way they will notice.
#19
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Each person should choose what suits their needs best. Those choices, in aggregate, will dictate the profits of the airlines.
It's that simple. There is no need for groups, organizations, programs, letters, surveys, and boycotts.
Just pick the best choice each time you fly and that will lead to more success and more growth for the airlines that best meet the needs of most flyers.
#20
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: LA
Posts: 1,281
I'm laughing after reading that letter - no offense OP, but if I can't take it seriously, the leadership at UA are just going to toss that in the trash with a general response. This isn't going to get you far at all.
Dear OP,
Thank you for letting us know about your recent experience with United Airlines. I apologize if our service did not meet your expectations, and appreciate you taking time to share your concerns.
Our goal is to provide a consistently reliable product and an exemplary level of customer service. Based on the events you describe, we did not meet this goal. Your comments regarding (SPECIFIC EVENT) will be used for coaching and training our employees.
(CUSTOMER NAME), I ask that you allow us another opportunity to serve you (but just not on the first Thursday of each month), as we consider it our privilege to have you aboard.
Dear OP,
Thank you for letting us know about your recent experience with United Airlines. I apologize if our service did not meet your expectations, and appreciate you taking time to share your concerns.
Our goal is to provide a consistently reliable product and an exemplary level of customer service. Based on the events you describe, we did not meet this goal. Your comments regarding (SPECIFIC EVENT) will be used for coaching and training our employees.
(CUSTOMER NAME), I ask that you allow us another opportunity to serve you (but just not on the first Thursday of each month), as we consider it our privilege to have you aboard.
#21
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Delta is making record profits so UA would be crazy to ignore their model.
Actually UA is ignoring the biggest portion of the Delta Model: improving in flight services. Have you guys seen the meals on DL lately? Meanwhile my meals in BF on UA the past 3 flights have made me gag.
The revenue based MP program is here to stay. Anyone who hates it, come join me at the new american
Airlines could care less about a "boycott" they know you need them.
Actually UA is ignoring the biggest portion of the Delta Model: improving in flight services. Have you guys seen the meals on DL lately? Meanwhile my meals in BF on UA the past 3 flights have made me gag.
The revenue based MP program is here to stay. Anyone who hates it, come join me at the new american
Airlines could care less about a "boycott" they know you need them.
#24

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If you look at the bigger picture, this boycott will not work. It assumes this boycott will impact United's bottom line. In my analysis, it will. However, it will help, not hurt United's profitability.
The fatal flaws are assuming that nearly all United flyers are elite members and that United has monopoly power. If, and only if, these two circumstances were true, then such a boycott may work.
First flaw is assuming a large majority of flyers are United elite members. While it varies, let's use 40% of an average flight are United elite members. The remaining 60% are "General" passengers, who are looking for the lowest price tickets and don't have any airline loyalty.
Second flaw is assuming that the only flying option is United. Most United flights have some form of competition from American, Delta, Alaskan, Southwest, etc.
SIMPLE EXAMPLE. After decades of passenger information, the airlines know that traffic patterns are fairly stable. For example, flights from Point A to Point B on the first Thursday of the month is about 200 passengers. And let's say that Delta is the other competitor on this route.
Currently 100 passengers fly United and 100 passengers fly Delta. Of the 100 United passengers, 40 are Elite and 60 are general passengers. The same with Delta, 40 Elite, 60 General.
If 20 of the 40 United Elite passengers boycott the flight, the # of United passengers will drop from 100 to 80 (note, the 20 boycotting Elites still need to travel, so they are flying the day before or after). The total drop in TOTAL traffic on this Pont A to B route will drop from 200 to 180.
However, United will "backfill" some of the missing Elite seats with General flyers. The new composition will be 20 United Elites + 70 General passengers. Delta's composition will be 40 Delta Elites + 50 General passengers. This reflect the total drop in demand from 200 to 180 passengers. Some General passenger who would normally fly Delta, are now flying United.
Note, in this example, United and Delta sell the same % of tickets at various fare classes. Because United's demand is lower, they will have more lower fare classes available for a longer period of time than Delta. Since general passenger traffic is fungible, both planes will fill up to approximately the same level.
United comes out ahead, as they will "backfill" the missing Elites with more General passengers who are subject to additional fees (baggage, etc.).
Even the drop of passengers, 200 to 180 on the first Thursday of the month, is somewhat dubious. Instead of looking at 200 passengers on 1 day (1st Thursday of the month), look at the # of passengers for a 3 day period (1st Wednesday, Thursday, Friday of the month).
If you assume 600 passengers for these 3 days, then it is likely that Thursday traffic will "backfill" with general (leisure) passengers as the lower fare buckets will sell out faster on Wednesday and Friday. Remember the boycotting United Elite passengers still need to travel, and adjusted to the day before or after.
As much as I would like to see United rescind their changes, I do not see how this boycott will work. Perhaps I'm missing something.
The fatal flaws are assuming that nearly all United flyers are elite members and that United has monopoly power. If, and only if, these two circumstances were true, then such a boycott may work.
First flaw is assuming a large majority of flyers are United elite members. While it varies, let's use 40% of an average flight are United elite members. The remaining 60% are "General" passengers, who are looking for the lowest price tickets and don't have any airline loyalty.
Second flaw is assuming that the only flying option is United. Most United flights have some form of competition from American, Delta, Alaskan, Southwest, etc.
SIMPLE EXAMPLE. After decades of passenger information, the airlines know that traffic patterns are fairly stable. For example, flights from Point A to Point B on the first Thursday of the month is about 200 passengers. And let's say that Delta is the other competitor on this route.
Currently 100 passengers fly United and 100 passengers fly Delta. Of the 100 United passengers, 40 are Elite and 60 are general passengers. The same with Delta, 40 Elite, 60 General.
If 20 of the 40 United Elite passengers boycott the flight, the # of United passengers will drop from 100 to 80 (note, the 20 boycotting Elites still need to travel, so they are flying the day before or after). The total drop in TOTAL traffic on this Pont A to B route will drop from 200 to 180.
However, United will "backfill" some of the missing Elite seats with General flyers. The new composition will be 20 United Elites + 70 General passengers. Delta's composition will be 40 Delta Elites + 50 General passengers. This reflect the total drop in demand from 200 to 180 passengers. Some General passenger who would normally fly Delta, are now flying United.
Note, in this example, United and Delta sell the same % of tickets at various fare classes. Because United's demand is lower, they will have more lower fare classes available for a longer period of time than Delta. Since general passenger traffic is fungible, both planes will fill up to approximately the same level.
United comes out ahead, as they will "backfill" the missing Elites with more General passengers who are subject to additional fees (baggage, etc.).
Even the drop of passengers, 200 to 180 on the first Thursday of the month, is somewhat dubious. Instead of looking at 200 passengers on 1 day (1st Thursday of the month), look at the # of passengers for a 3 day period (1st Wednesday, Thursday, Friday of the month).
If you assume 600 passengers for these 3 days, then it is likely that Thursday traffic will "backfill" with general (leisure) passengers as the lower fare buckets will sell out faster on Wednesday and Friday. Remember the boycotting United Elite passengers still need to travel, and adjusted to the day before or after.
As much as I would like to see United rescind their changes, I do not see how this boycott will work. Perhaps I'm missing something.
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I'm laughing after reading that letter - no offense OP, but if I can't take it seriously, the leadership at UA are just going to toss that in the trash with a general response. This isn't going to get you far at all.
Dear OP,
Thank you for letting us know about your recent experience with United Airlines. I apologize if our service did not meet your expectations, and appreciate you taking time to share your concerns.
Our goal is to provide a consistently reliable product and an exemplary level of customer service. Based on the events you describe, we did not meet this goal. Your comments regarding (SPECIFIC EVENT) will be used for coaching and training our employees.
(CUSTOMER NAME), I ask that you allow us another opportunity to serve you (but just not on the first Thursday of each month), as we consider it our privilege to have you aboard.
Dear OP,
Thank you for letting us know about your recent experience with United Airlines. I apologize if our service did not meet your expectations, and appreciate you taking time to share your concerns.
Our goal is to provide a consistently reliable product and an exemplary level of customer service. Based on the events you describe, we did not meet this goal. Your comments regarding (SPECIFIC EVENT) will be used for coaching and training our employees.
(CUSTOMER NAME), I ask that you allow us another opportunity to serve you (but just not on the first Thursday of each month), as we consider it our privilege to have you aboard.
#26




Join Date: Oct 2012
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It doesn't need to be this complicated.
Each person should choose what suits their needs best. Those choices, in aggregate, will dictate the profits of the airlines.
It's that simple. There is no need for groups, organizations, programs, letters, surveys, and boycotts.
Just pick the best choice each time you fly and that will lead to more success and more growth for the airlines that best meet the needs of most flyers.
Each person should choose what suits their needs best. Those choices, in aggregate, will dictate the profits of the airlines.
It's that simple. There is no need for groups, organizations, programs, letters, surveys, and boycotts.
Just pick the best choice each time you fly and that will lead to more success and more growth for the airlines that best meet the needs of most flyers.
#27
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Dayton
Programs: UA 1K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, National Emerald Exec
Posts: 240
1.) This change is actually good for many elites (myself included) who fly shorter routes on higher fares. Also getting a huge boost is the elite who flies long haul on premium fares. So to assume all elites are with you on this is probably flawed. In actuality this change really benefits the groups United most wants to court. If it ruffles feathers of pax/elites on discount fares they are really probably alright with it.
2.) Given the above and the fact that Delta already is doing this I don't see any feasible way United would not switch as well. Considering the huge differential a person can earn on a front cabin fare internationally staying in the miles flow game would be suicide.
3.) The ship has sailed on this one.
2.) Given the above and the fact that Delta already is doing this I don't see any feasible way United would not switch as well. Considering the huge differential a person can earn on a front cabin fare internationally staying in the miles flow game would be suicide.
3.) The ship has sailed on this one.
#28
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Each person should choose what suits their needs best. Those choices, in aggregate, will dictate the profits of the airlines.
Just pick the best choice each time you fly and that will lead to more success and more growth for the airlines that best meet the needs of most flyers.
Just pick the best choice each time you fly and that will lead to more success and more growth for the airlines that best meet the needs of most flyers.
1.) This change is actually good for many elites (myself included) who fly shorter routes on higher fares. Also getting a huge boost is the elite who flies long haul on premium fares. So to assume all elites are with you on this is probably flawed. In actuality this change really benefits the groups United most wants to court. If it ruffles feathers of pax/elites on discount fares they are really probably alright with it.



