This entire current UA management team must leave or problem solved? SMI/J speaks down on his employees, throws a few jabs at DL (who is currently making record profits),

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-...190013956.html

Rips former UA management, says the pmUA employees need more training, etc. Is this CEO nuts?

Solution, CODESHARE WITH WN on all domestic flts. I'm the first with this brilliant idea. No more RJ's. No more UA agents in the USA, except in Hubs connecting to UA's International network, less Union talks.

SMI/J with his statements this week seem to think CO was the greatest thing since sliced toast with a few of those sausage patties thrown in. This WN codeshare solves many problems:

No RJ's, friendly staff, similar on-time record , no meals, etc.

You also do not need to look for RJ pilots (shortage), and can fire maybe 60,000 UA employees (UA already started in Canada and Hawaii). It's a win-win, and meets all goals for SMI/J.

Is this going to happen to the "new UA"?

Remember the days when this community used to be filled with nuanced, insightful comments and suggestions?

Yes I do, and I would rather fly a real jet (737's) between city pairs = WN provides that service, with a "smile" (no RJ's). Link that with UA's International network and it is a win win.

UA makes $ - WN makes $.

This thread is based on the statements UA's CEO made, that were complete rubbish. Let's see how UA's numbers pan out next week.

Remember when UA actually valued its frequent flyers? Perhaps that explains the increase in comments you don't approve of.

If you think UA should abandon the domestic market through a partnership with another airline and focus entirely on international routes, you may want to research the history of PanAm and see how a similar strategy worked for them.

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Except that PanAm sought domestic routes for years, and CAB wouldn't give them any, because of pressure brought by other airlines. When they finally relented and let them merge with a domestic airline, they stupidly bought National Airlines, which didn't provide the domestic feed they needed. Add to that was the fact that Pan Am was caught with a glut of inefficient aircraft when oil prices rose, and it was a recipe for disaster.

But in a sense, you are correct - Pan Am is an excellent example, one that United is in a sense following. Instead of having no domestic network, UA started with arguably the best domestic network in the country, and is systematically ruining it through a combination of actions, including a slow retreat into fortress hubs, flying dark RJs (and mainline birds) on major domestic routes while the competition offers mainline flights on heavy routes and when they offer RJs, they have F, WiFi, and real food up front. Add to that the idea that 80% on time is good enough for UA and the competition isn't at war with its own frequent flyers, you have a recipe for ultimate failure unless something changes.

didn't frank Lorenzo and texas international try to buy national and got into a bidding war with pan am. pan am won but Lorenzo made a killing off it.

Anyone remember when ExPlus was actually an industry-leading regional product by UA? Back when they actually were leading in anything other than number of DOT complaints?

I recall that at the time, not only had UA added F and E+ to RJs (and box meals, which although box meals were more than anyone else was offering), but they were talking about putting IFE in RJs.

Fast forward to today, and it seems like UA is using RJs on longer and longer routes, with more and more of them lacking any E+ or F (too many CRJ200s and E145s on 1000+ mile routes!), with no wifi or hot food on any of their RJ products.

This is one place where you need quotes. It should be "brilliant".

You are free to fly any airline you wish. If you love WN so much, why aren't you flying them? Why would a codeshare make a difference? United definitely has its problems, but I still find them infinitely better than WN in almost every respect.

If people like to complain about SHARES, your head would explode implementing code shares with SWA's reservation system.

Although technology is a limiter, the incredible cultural and financial aversion to such a proposal makes this thread a joke.

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UA I really don't think is a terrible airline/company, it's their fleet that needs work. I say fire whomever is in charge of their fleet management. They think getting rid of 757/767's and replacing them with CRJ-200's is a fantastic idea (I personally know many routes that used to have these aircraft replaced with fifty seaters). AA and DL also have them but realize bigger = better. UA I know is getting rid of them but they think replacing larger aircraft for RJ's on high yield markets is a good business decision (when it's not). They also feel like these RJ's should have substandard service compared to the same plane/operating airline with Delta Connection/American Eagle. I sincerely think if they could fly E170's JFK-LAX or down to the Caribbean they could. I also want to fire whomever thought it was a great idea to replace A319/A320 seats (which sometimes fly cross country flights) with literally roller coaster vehicle seats.


TL;DR While UA might not be as bad as people make them out to be, their fleet is terrible and they need to fire whomever is in charge of it.

While some of this id true, some of it just isnt.

Last week I got home from Europe. On the way there I flew LH in Y, on the way home a UA 767. The UA plane was far far better than the LH flight. Given the choice I'd take the UA bird 10 times out of 10.

WN has no interest in this silliness...