UA/Star Business Deals to Europe
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Plus there's so much less space to stash stuff in the sardine-can 777s. pmCO BusinessFirst really is a better product than straight pmUA Business, as the name implies. I think that a lot of folks on these $1500 RTs will discover this for themselves in the next several months.
On the $1500 point, I think a lot of folks will discover that OALs offer a superior experience; I doubt there will be many who worry about PMCO vs. PMUA seat. @:-)
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Let's not turn this into yet another "PMCO vs PMUA C seat" debate. But at 6'4", I book away from PMCO C every time I can. I can't even put my feet side-by-side in their foot cubbies, and can't sleep in them due to foot pain.
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Interested to see all the discussion on PMCO vs PMUA seats. I used this deal to book EU airlines with lie-flat seats. LH 747-8i outbound and OS 767 return. I'm excited because I've never flown either. I leave in 5 days.
I'll be in AMS July 21-24 in case anyone else is there on one of these deals and wants to meet up.
I'll be in AMS July 21-24 in case anyone else is there on one of these deals and wants to meet up.
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Did ORD-AMS two weeks ago on a P, and I totally agree about the awkwardness of the front/backwards facing seats if you're on the aisle. You really can't help but look right at the person across the way. Particularly annoying on the sUA 763, which has a super narrow aisle. Really made me miss the 744 UD which is what I usually fly long-haul ex-SFO.
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I'll be in Rome July 25-27 on P fare #2.
I'll be in Rome July 25-27 on P fare #2.
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Yeah - that's right. I guess UA was offering a slightly less business to go w/ their int'l first, whereas CO combined the two. Coming from the CO side, I couldn't believe how many seats were crammed into UA's int'l 772s the first time I stepped into one. Going from 6 across to 8 across was a shock. There is no good seat in that section - you either have to crawl over someone or someone has to crawl over you in every seat. At least in the 6-across, the middle seats avoid that.
I've managed to avoid the 8-across seating in all my upcoming trips.
I've managed to avoid the 8-across seating in all my upcoming trips.
But yeah, the 8-across/middle section on the 777 was a bad decision to have as a business product. I don't think it's as much cramming in more seats though as just different space utilization. The UA seats are longer and go in fully vertically vs angled and overlapping like the CO seats. Your feet aren't tucking "under" the seat in front of you - it's fully open above your legs all the way to the overhead bins (hence why it's easier to step over the other person). Density wise, I would guess they are pretty similar. But to gain that lengthwise space, they unfortunately had to take it away in width and "pack them across". And that was a bad call in the end. If I can't upgrade to F on that plane, I actively try to book away from it. The aisles are super narrow, constantly bumping the aisle people - there is just no seat there where your elbows are going to be comfortable.
OTOH, the same seat on an upper deck window 747 is one of my favorite business seats in the sky.
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After paying $1,500 for BF to Paris, I had a hard time complaining about the comfort of the seat. 763 1K/L from IAD, 7 A/B on 772 to EWR. Sure hope UA offers this again some time.
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I do too. The $1500 P fares HNL-Europe are awesome.
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This is good news as I'm on my very first flight with a window seat on the upper deck of the 747 this morning (I'm usually in Global First when on a 747, but I'm slumming it in BusinessFirst this trip ). I got 15K out to NRT and 15A on the way back, but I'm hoping 14A or K opens up as I heard those are better.