J booked at zero, no R space
Apr 17, 2013, 11:57 am
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J booked at zero, no R space
I apologize if this has been answered, can't find it in search.
I booked a flight for this summer (early August), and waitlisted one segment in J with a GPU, FRA-EWR. J is booked at zero, but there is also no R space. I thought at least 1 R seat would be available on all flights, but I guess not? Does UA in some case not open any R space even with zero booked?
Thanks.
I booked a flight for this summer (early August), and waitlisted one segment in J with a GPU, FRA-EWR. J is booked at zero, but there is also no R space. I thought at least 1 R seat would be available on all flights, but I guess not? Does UA in some case not open any R space even with zero booked?
Thanks.
Apr 17, 2013, 12:06 pm
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How do you know that? As far as I know, only employees have access to this information. Seat maps don't tell you the whole story ... the most an outside source could tell is that United is willing to sell at least 9 seats on a given flight, but that wouldn't be enough to conclude that not a single J seat was sold on any of the EWR-FRA flights.
Yes. Very often there is no R space available even when the flights first open up and not a single seat is sold on the entire flight.
Yes. Very often there is no R space available even when the flights first open up and not a single seat is sold on the entire flight.
Apr 17, 2013, 12:08 pm
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Unless you have access to the PBTs, any publicly-available insight into booked load is unreliable at best.
There's no hard-and-fast rule regarding R inventory. Total crapshoot, though usually R will open some time around T-24h if the cabin is not sold out.
There's no hard-and-fast rule regarding R inventory. Total crapshoot, though usually R will open some time around T-24h if the cabin is not sold out.
Apr 17, 2013, 12:10 pm
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Apr 17, 2013, 12:13 pm
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Apr 17, 2013, 12:15 pm
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When I waitlisted the segment, the agent told me (by looking at her system) there are zero people booked in the J cabin, by paying, upgrade, etc.
She thought it was very strange that J was at 0 and there was 0 R space.
She thought it was very strange that J was at 0 and there was 0 R space.
Apr 17, 2013, 12:33 pm
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There is no relationship that I can discern between paid J bookings and R space. The cabin can look completely empty from ExpertFlyer or the seat map or whatever but a) people may not have selected seats, and b) UA would first like to sell the seats before filling the cabin with upgrades. I'm waitlisted with a GPU on two segments (EWR-BCN, GVA-EWR) in June that appear to have a light load up front but I'm sure I'll be sweating it out until T-24 if I clear at all.
Apr 17, 2013, 12:34 pm
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BTW, J at 0 is usually means on FT, no J seats for sale.