UCH and Pilots reach Tentative Agreement
Dec 15, 2012, 12:42 pm
#61
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There will still be lingering issues. Technology issues, training issues, flight planning issues...you get the idea. Those are issues that UCH must solve. Some of those difficult tasks are being addressed. Even after this has taken place, at that point only the pilots will have been essentially integrated, save the rest of the labor groups, including the FA's.
Dec 15, 2012, 12:48 pm
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The SLI will most likely be settled by an arbitration procedure. That list when completed will be submitted to the company. That will conclude the "union" business as it relates to the integration. I expect this process to last 6-9 months.
There will still be lingering issues. Technology issues, training issues, flight planning issues...you get the idea. Those are issues that UCH must solve. Some of those difficult tasks are being addressed. Even after this has taken place, at that point only the pilots will have been essentially integrated, save the rest of the labor groups, including the FA's.
There will still be lingering issues. Technology issues, training issues, flight planning issues...you get the idea. Those are issues that UCH must solve. Some of those difficult tasks are being addressed. Even after this has taken place, at that point only the pilots will have been essentially integrated, save the rest of the labor groups, including the FA's.
Dec 15, 2012, 12:56 pm
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I don't think this is a very good agreement but the majority has spoken and I'm moving on. Large "RJ's" are coming. We'll know more about the companies plans in the coming months. The Seniority list negotiations are the real elephant in the room and those talks shift in to high gear now. Stay tuned! It might get a bit bumpy. Time will tell.
Dec 15, 2012, 1:07 pm
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Dec 15, 2012, 1:14 pm
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I expect that some time in 2013, the combined list will be complete. The SLI process is indeed between the two pilot groups. The ALPA defines the process which generally results in a third party determining who goes where. The company waits for that process to unfold.
Dec 15, 2012, 1:19 pm
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Dec 15, 2012, 9:25 pm
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So far, nothing's changed. The 787 is a sCAL airplane. The UAL side doesn't have them. Until there is an integrated seniority list with no cross-bidding restrictions,(aka Fences), or until the sUAL side gets some of their own, no sUAL pilots will fly them. Keep in mind that the Operational Merger has yet to happen. Only after the pilots have an Integrated Seniority List can that actually happen, and until then, it's still a USAir/AW type operation. No cross-bidding or cross-flying.
I'll probably never get the chance anyway because there will most likely never be a 787 pilot base in Denver, where I live. Is I said on an earlier post, I'll probably wait until the demise of the sUAL 757-200, take a surplus bump back to the A-320 and spend the rest of my time in relative seniority there.
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I'll probably never get the chance anyway because there will most likely never be a 787 pilot base in Denver, where I live. Is I said on an earlier post, I'll probably wait until the demise of the sUAL 757-200, take a surplus bump back to the A-320 and spend the rest of my time in relative seniority there.
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Dec 15, 2012, 10:50 pm
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Dec 16, 2012, 1:08 pm
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I suppose congrats that at a starting point has been achieved. Per the comment above, it's really too bad on the scope for crew opportunities and pax loyalty as it's just a self-fulfilling downward cycle. Move mainline to express; drive mainline pax over to MDW to fly Southwest. Fly Southwest more on <500 miles CHI flights, start considering them for the 500-1000 mile range flights since the experience isn't all that bad. Even ORD-LGA is now hard to find an actual UA flight and it's just easier to search the AA schedule.
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Dec 16, 2012, 1:29 pm
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What are the key issues that need to be negotiated in regards to the seniority list?
Dec 16, 2012, 1:39 pm
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I see less flights total but more regional big jets. I hope I'm wrong.
Dec 16, 2012, 1:45 pm
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And, side note, you will be able to continue flying the 787 domestically if your travels take you IAH-DEN or vv.