UCH and Pilots reach Tentative Agreement
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UCH and Pilots reach Tentative Agreement
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...031500642.html
I wonder how much additional flying will be outsourced to regionals. As it is, seems most domestic flights at IAD/ORD are Express with mainline flying few and far between.
I wonder how much additional flying will be outsourced to regionals. As it is, seems most domestic flights at IAD/ORD are Express with mainline flying few and far between.
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UCH and Pilots reach Tentative Agreement
I just got notification that this thing was approved by both CO and UA MECs. I'm on a very short layover (and nothing in the TA about fixing that) so I just did a quick look at the summary.
I have to say that it doesn't look good at all. Scope is weak, there are more givebacks than improvements, and the pay increases are an insult. I was an Airbus captain when we got the cuts in '03 and '04. The 'Bus took the largest % hit-48%. Now as a 757/767 captain, I'm seeing the smallest raise. Maybe since the 75s are going away and the 320/737 will be the same pay, I'll only loose seniority. Never thought I'd be looking kindly upon the lesser of two evils.
The scope is #1 for me even though I'll be gone before the effects are felt among the pilots, but I can't in good conscience vote in favor of it. Same with retirement, insurance, and work rules. Pay is also a slap in the face.
I'm going to try and keep an open mind though, and listen to our MEC try and pitch this, but I suspect I'll be watching them trying to put lipstick on a pig.
More to follow, I'm sure.
FAB
I have to say that it doesn't look good at all. Scope is weak, there are more givebacks than improvements, and the pay increases are an insult. I was an Airbus captain when we got the cuts in '03 and '04. The 'Bus took the largest % hit-48%. Now as a 757/767 captain, I'm seeing the smallest raise. Maybe since the 75s are going away and the 320/737 will be the same pay, I'll only loose seniority. Never thought I'd be looking kindly upon the lesser of two evils.
The scope is #1 for me even though I'll be gone before the effects are felt among the pilots, but I can't in good conscience vote in favor of it. Same with retirement, insurance, and work rules. Pay is also a slap in the face.
I'm going to try and keep an open mind though, and listen to our MEC try and pitch this, but I suspect I'll be watching them trying to put lipstick on a pig.
More to follow, I'm sure.
FAB
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There are absolutely no meaningful details in that article. Anyone have concrete details of what's in the proposed contract?
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That's smart, without scope you don't own the work so you could have otherwise great TA (pay, benefits, etc) but if the work isn't protected nothing really matters.
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The raises are rates based on metal currently bid by you to fly, not based on metal you flew on the effective date of your current (old) recessionary contract.
Noone can fault you for wanting to move up equipment, but in so doing, you moved to that equipment pay scale, not your previous equipment pay scale, which on this TA got a larger increase, in line with the larger cut it took.
Last edited by fastair; Nov 13, 2012 at 8:58 am
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Looks like the concensus on APC is this will NOT pass:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...-overview.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...-overview.html
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Looks like the concensus on APC is this will NOT pass:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...-overview.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...-overview.html