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Looks like KVS came up with a fix.
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Another idea instead of having Expert Mode, just re-name it Elite Mode and give it to all your Elite Customers ;).
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Originally Posted by Steph3n
(Post 19277182)
Maybe because the issue is screen scraping impacting the services and servers in negative ways like was hinted at.....because some sources were doing them in bad ways, or with bad code, or very overly aggressive in their tactics...
Yep, I am stuck on this issue, I think there is more to it than people think. I've seen what screen scraping continually can do to a services. I've been hit by amazon EC scrape scans so intensive they are like a DDOS...and it wasn't even intentional, it was looping code. |
Originally Posted by UA Insider
(Post 19277414)
Hi njcommodore, the intent was not to take away the ability to see if upgrade space is available or not when purchasing. This is valuable information.
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Originally Posted by smfnrt
(Post 19277535)
Wow, I cant't even keep up with the thread, posts are coming up faster than I can read.
The part that bugged me the most is that they removed this feature before having an alternate solution avaliable. Isn't it common sense? I guess common sense isnt so common. In addition to emailing Jeff, perhaps emails to news agencies, social media outlets would make more impact 1) UA continues to show complete disregard to being honest with its customers. The reasons stated by UA for doing this change are false. I tend to be very reluctant to go negative (we do it far to easily and quickly on this forum!), but I see no alternative conclusion. The 'confused customers' reasoning makes no sense. Why not just come out and say they want to stop screen scapers from making money on their info? That would be honest. But, alas, UA does not seem to know how to be honest about anything anymore. So they made up this 'confused customers' story. Sad. About as sad as their other recent stories on why they made changes: - 1MM Renege: they said they never promised RPUs for life. Also, everyone will like the new plan better than the old one. NOT!!!! - 1K GPU timing: customers wanted their GPUs earlier, so they are just giving us what we want. NOT!!!! 2) This really is not so bad of a change. Yes, it makes like more difficult for high use fliers like us, but for most instances (upgrades, award availability) there are alternatives. Slower, harder to use, and more expensive (either in my time or money), but given how often UA has crapped on us high mileage fliers recently, I am getting used to it. So this did not need to be the fiasco that United has made it. If they were honest and really forthright, this could be addressed. But United has decided once again it can pull the wool over our eyes. |
Originally Posted by johnmont
(Post 19277492)
I On top of this, my upgrade percentage has gone from 95% to 0% since June, flying the same routes (and flights) between ORD and LAX. Something definitely changed during that time period to cause my priority to drop for some reason...or the rules changed. Up until that time I hadn't experienced much of a change from last year. But man...it's really different now.
The loss of expert mode really does not upset me - as pointed out - you can still check the upgrade box to view upgrade availability, then repeat sequentially adding one more passenger to get the number in R. Just more time consuming to do. For changing flights - after you check in - go back in to reservation and see what options it presents when you check the button for change flight. There is no commitment to change - just looking. And this is dynamic - so you need to check throughout the day. It is the TODs that upset most of us long time CO/UA flyers. And the reason why many of us have switched a lot of our business to AA - where TODs don't exist. And it is the fuzzy individual segment calculation on multi-segment one-ways that is the most upsetting. |
Originally Posted by mitchmu
(Post 19277384)
So, the MileagePlus Upgrade Award is showing R space?
Maybe this isn't the end of the world, then? With this "feature" it takes 3x longer to find flights than with EF, but, still, a fraction of what it would take to call and sit on hold with idiots who don't know anything about their own systems for hours on end. As for the jumping, yes, they've cut the "alert-call" jump routine (which, incidentally, is the **ONLY** way I've ever gotten an upgrade since $mi$ek destroyed the airline), but now all of us sit there and watch our seats disappear from people who happen to book when R opens or happen to call and check at the right time. If the damn system just worked, this wouldn't be an issue, but as they won't fix it, because their true intention is to eliminate GPU and shift to a pure TOD model, they've now made GPUs worth nothing. |
Originally Posted by FortFun
(Post 19277570)
I presume you agree, however, that there is very real added value in knowing whether the number of seats available is 1, 5, or >9? Hopefully this is on the list to restore.
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Originally Posted by ual744777sta
(Post 19277558)
Looks like KVS came up with a fix.
KVS Tool is a specialized web browser application and this Method enables its users to browse the relevant web pages of the UA website in order to view availability information in text format. |
It looks like there are two main theories on this thread for the "expert mode" change:
* UA IT incompetence: this is the easiest way for IT to fix some of the upgrade integration problems * conspiracy theory: UA thinks that uninformed pax will be easier to extract the revenue from The future may show which one is correct. The fact that this thread grew to 500+ in less than a day, and that there is an agreement about the adverse effect of the change on United customers, should motivate UA to find an alternative, technical solution to the problem (which can be done, not matter what UA IT says) and reinstate the expert mode. If this does not happen, the conspiracy theory wins. |
Originally Posted by kenhawk
(Post 19277480)
Dear Shannon,
With all due respect...my impression is that your employers are sitting around a table, trying to come up with ways to irritate your most loyal and frequent customers. This is yet another example of this. If the problem they are trying to solve it truly "confusion" among travelers, then why not automatically reset everyone's search mode to basic, and then allow those of us who actually use the system to intelligently book our reservations based upon your inventory to go back in and change the mode back to "expert." This way, we would easily have it during the booking process, without having to waste our time with dummy award bookings or spending UA's time and money by calling an agent. Your "confused" customers would be relieved of this problem of being shown too much data. KH
Originally Posted by FortFun
(Post 19277570)
I presume you agree, however, that there is very real added value in knowing whether the number of seats available is 1, 5, or >9, without having to do many redundant searches that vary the number of seats requested? Hopefully this is on the list to restore.
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Fri Night: Expert Mode goes away
Sat Morning: Ability to book 787 flights is announced. Coincidence??? Conspiracy??? You decide ... :D :D :D |
This is aimed at FTers, not Kayakers
Originally Posted by usa18dca
(Post 19277561)
Another idea instead of having Expert Mode, just re-name it Elite Mode and give it to all your Elite Customers ;).
Seriously, this has to be aimed at the power user. That's US. To United, we are the problem. We are the people that they're thinking have just enough information to be really dangerous, and they're thinking maybe if they cut us off, we'll have less to hassle them about. We can't micro-manage our itineraries (and from United's perspective, that's exactly what we're doing... micro-managing things in a way they incorrectly see as abusive while we see as trying to get United to give us the benefits they say we have). |
Originally Posted by jmd001
(Post 19277633)
Fri Night: Expert Mode goes away
Sat Morning: Ability to book 787 flights is announced. Coincidence??? Conspiracy??? You decide ... :D :D :D |
This is disgusting and extremely disappointing. I, like many, choose flights often based on RN availability as this is usually more important than time/schedule.
Maybe they could at least make the fare classes viewable for logged in elite customers only. I'm gonna have to spend a long time on the phones now trying to search for RN seats while the UA agents on the line pretend to not know what I'm talking about. |
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