CO/UA Million Mile (and Beyond) Flyer Benefits, Effective Spring 2012
#346
Join Date: May 2004
Programs: UA lifetime 1K
Posts: 2,033
I think people are forgetting what the big benefit to lifetime status is: that you can maintain a certain elite level after you stop flying as often, or during flying dry spells. To me, this is the most important aspect of the entire MM program. The one-time and annual awards were just gravy.
#347
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 984
wakeup call
in the dark days, a lot of employees lost their pensions in numerous companies, and the dark days are here again...beggars can't be choosers, despite what some european citizens hope for... dead lucky the whole thing hasnt gone down the plughole of life.
personally i think they've done extremely well to sort it out...now we just have to hope the whole thing wasnt a pipe dream, like the welfare state, or universal health care
personally i think they've done extremely well to sort it out...now we just have to hope the whole thing wasnt a pipe dream, like the welfare state, or universal health care
#348
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Paris, France
Programs: Over-entitled UA 1PMM; JetSmarter; HHonors Gold
Posts: 9,723
In looking over the list of benefits of being a Premier Gold as a 1MM flyer next year, I found the following benefits and missing benefits to be most telling for me.
1. CPUs - which will be very difficult to redeem unless one remains a 1K, so I'm not too excited.
2. No RPUs or GPUs as in the past for 1MM - the biggest disappointment for me. Probably a game changer for me. Having them would actually cause me to fly United MORE rather than less.
3. 50% mileage bonus instead of 100% currently. A significant downgrade but not a deal breaker.
4. 500 mile minimum PQM accrual, a plus, but pretty minimal plus.
5. More availability of Saver Awards, a plus, but not in F/C, a minus.
6. $25 fee for close-in and award change fee. A real negative.
7. $100 award redeposit fee. What justifies this? Another big negative.
8. International flights lounge access - but I have this through lifetime CO lounge access, but a big plus otherwise.
9. Access to E+ at booking, a real plus.
10. No fee same day flight change, a real plus.
11. $25 phone service fee - a major negative, especially given the .com problems
12. No dedicated phone line. Double trouble to pay to talk to ICC. Insult to injury. A deal breaker for me.
13. And finally, at number lucky 13, the spousal benefit. No use to me at all and not having the choice to get RPUs and GPUs instead, is the most irritating "big brother" move by United. Probably more than anything the one thing that pushes me out of my 1K habit with UA. Perhaps I should thank them.
1. CPUs - which will be very difficult to redeem unless one remains a 1K, so I'm not too excited.
2. No RPUs or GPUs as in the past for 1MM - the biggest disappointment for me. Probably a game changer for me. Having them would actually cause me to fly United MORE rather than less.
3. 50% mileage bonus instead of 100% currently. A significant downgrade but not a deal breaker.
4. 500 mile minimum PQM accrual, a plus, but pretty minimal plus.
5. More availability of Saver Awards, a plus, but not in F/C, a minus.
6. $25 fee for close-in and award change fee. A real negative.
7. $100 award redeposit fee. What justifies this? Another big negative.
8. International flights lounge access - but I have this through lifetime CO lounge access, but a big plus otherwise.
9. Access to E+ at booking, a real plus.
10. No fee same day flight change, a real plus.
11. $25 phone service fee - a major negative, especially given the .com problems
12. No dedicated phone line. Double trouble to pay to talk to ICC. Insult to injury. A deal breaker for me.
13. And finally, at number lucky 13, the spousal benefit. No use to me at all and not having the choice to get RPUs and GPUs instead, is the most irritating "big brother" move by United. Probably more than anything the one thing that pushes me out of my 1K habit with UA. Perhaps I should thank them.
14. Priority check-in, including at *A partners. This is HUGE for me.
15. Access to *A partner lounges. Another massive benefit, especially when there are irrops and you need to talk to a rep from the partner company quickly.
16. Priority baggage. This is hit or miss, because half the time they don't pay attention to the priority. But just two weeks ago I was able to avoid a 6 hour layover on an international connection because my bags came out first in customs, and I was able to get onto an earlier flight. ^
17. Additional baggage allowance on UA/CO and *A carriers. Another HUGE one here. I recall a flight from South Africa, where the person in front of me was arguing with the check-in desk about having to pay addition for their extra bag. And the cost was substantial. They took one look at my *A gold status and didn't hesitate to take on my additional baggage at no charge.
18. Overall treatment from *A carriers. I have a friend that works for TAM, and the view there is that *A Gold travelers should always be treated better than the rest. I've had upgrades, better service, etc. as a result of being *A Gold.
All of these are what I am looking forward to without having to worry about whether I make an additional trip or two to cross the 1P barrier. I'll agree that the 50% reduction in bonus hurts, and the other big one that I don't like is the lack of access to additional saver for F/C, which is where I use most of my reward redemption.
#349
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Benicia, California, USA
Programs: AA PLT,AS,UA PP,J6,FB,EY,LH,SQ,HH Dmd,Hyatt Glbl,Marriott Plat,IHG Plat,Accor Gold
Posts: 10,820
Spouse's tier matches my annual or lifetime tier?
[Here are the n]ew lifetime benefits [and] we think you’ll agree this is the most generous lifetime program in the world. The following will take effect next spring (so please hold tight until then):
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Thanks as always for your feedback, and we look forward to answering your questions.
Scott O’Leary
Managing Director, Customer Solutions
United Airlines
- Continental and United lifetime earnings will be combined. You all guessed that much, but the key will be how we do it. Continental’s lifetime earnings have been EQM-based, and United’s have been based on actual flight miles. Starting in 2012, the program will be based on actual flight miles, however, we will make a one-time adjustment on the United side to boost everyone’s lifetime earnings to EQMs dating back to the beginning of the program
- Lifetime premier benefits for 1 million miles = Premier Gold, 2 million = Premier Platinum, 3 million = Premier 1K, 4 million = Global Services
- Million milers will be able to designate a spouse or significant other to always have the same premier tier as them (this includes when the million miler member earns a higher tier). The spousal premier benefits will be identical as the member, except they will not include RPUs and GPUs. This spousal benefit will replace the one-time and annual upgrade gifts, and hopefully you’ll agree this is a better deal
- Continental’s Infinite Elite members (the limited few of you that earned this back in the early 90’s) will be grandfathered in and given lifetime Premier 1K status, but without the GPUs. We hope you’ll agree this is a generous resolution
Thanks as always for your feedback, and we look forward to answering your questions.
Scott O’Leary
Managing Director, Customer Solutions
United Airlines
I saw at least a couple of questions to this effect earlier in the thread, but having looked through numerous (but not all) pages I haven't seen an answer.
Thanks for any clarification.
#350
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Toledo, OH USA
Programs: UA1K, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Million-Miler
Posts: 557
I'm confused by the part I've bolded, especially whether "higher tier" means higher lifetime tier or higher annual tier. I think that I will be over 2MM after the EQMs are added. This will make me a lifetime Premier Platinum. I am flying enough this year to make 1K again for 2012. My question: Does this mean that my wife, who otherwise would be Premier Gold, will be Premier Platinum (my lifetime tier) in 2012? Or will she be 1K (my annual tier)?
I saw at least a couple of questions to this effect earlier in the thread, but having looked through numerous (but not all) pages I haven't seen an answer.
Thanks for any clarification.
I saw at least a couple of questions to this effect earlier in the thread, but having looked through numerous (but not all) pages I haven't seen an answer.
Thanks for any clarification.
#351
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Boston
Programs: UA 1K, 2MM
Posts: 956
I think people are forgetting what the big benefit to lifetime status is: that you can maintain a certain elite level after you stop flying as often, or during flying dry spells. To me, this is the most important aspect of the entire MM program. The one-time and annual awards were just gravy.
#352
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: IAH
Programs: UA 2MM, Hyatt Diamond, SPG Gold
Posts: 2,164
- bummer you got 50% for some flights, but there are plenty of fare codes, etc situations on both sides where sub 100% eqm are posted, that isn't changing with the one time adjustment. If you got eqm - any - that will now go into the lfetime figure on the UA calc, thats all. With CO, that 50% is already counted, so yes you would be and are ahead of the game.
#353
Join Date: Oct 2005
Programs: Continental
Posts: 1,589
Optimally it would be great if you can choose which you want from year to year.
#354
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,856
I don't know of any fare code or situation where a UA flyer got less than 1 mile credit toward MM status for 1 mile BIS on UA ticket/UA metal. For CO flyers, it was a distinct possibility they only received 1/2 mile credit (EQM under CO's scheme) per BIS mile, depending on fare basis and where the ticket was purchased. ....
I sure there are other inequalities, such as
The earning for some partners were different depending on if credited to MP or OP
or
When CO / UA were in different alliances, such as an UA flyer on NW got no credit but a CO flyer did, and there are examples from the CO side.
Considering all of these as second order effects, the new proposal has done a reasonable job of the first order effects (the BIS approach of UA versus the EQM approach of CO). While adjusting some of the second order effects might make this "fairer" (a subjective measure) for some elites, the proposed solution is a good balance in addressing the larger issues and the amount of effort UA/CO need to do to "adjust" the past program differences.
#355
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Programs: UA Lifetime Gold, Marriott Lifetime Platinum Elite, cattle-class with many others
Posts: 55
Sanity check for an "almost" 1MM on CO?
All, I've waded through this thread carefully over the last few days, and just want to validate something. I will end this year with at least 980K lifetime CO miles, and could possibly get to 1MM. I had previously thought I'd need to work this carefully, but it now appears to me there is NO REASON for me to stretch (mileage run, etc.) for the 1MM goal this calendar year.
Am I missing ANYTHING in this conclusion?
I will hit it next year easily, even without my whopping ~3,500 lifetimes miles on UA classic.
Am I missing ANYTHING in this conclusion?
I will hit it next year easily, even without my whopping ~3,500 lifetimes miles on UA classic.
#356
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,856
All, I've waded through this thread carefully over the last few days, and just want to validate something. I will end this year with at least 980K lifetime CO miles, and could possibly get to 1MM. I had previously thought I'd need to work this carefully, but it now appears to me there is NO REASON for me to stretch (mileage run, etc.) for the 1MM goal this calendar year.
Am I missing ANYTHING in this conclusion?
I will hit it next year easily, even without my whopping ~3,500 lifetimes miles on UA classic.
Am I missing ANYTHING in this conclusion?
I will hit it next year easily, even without my whopping ~3,500 lifetimes miles on UA classic.
#358
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SFO South Bay
Programs: UA 2MM
Posts: 3,052
in the dark days, a lot of employees lost their pensions in numerous companies, and the dark days are here again...beggars can't be choosers, despite what some european citizens hope for... dead lucky the whole thing hasnt gone down the plughole of life.
personally i think they've done extremely well to sort it out...now we just have to hope the whole thing wasnt a pipe dream, like the welfare state, or universal health care
personally i think they've done extremely well to sort it out...now we just have to hope the whole thing wasnt a pipe dream, like the welfare state, or universal health care
That was in 1985 after the strike in May of that year. I recall it well! But I also recall that it was just RDM, not EQM. Of course, the concept of EQM did not even exist back then. Everything was just BIS or RDM.
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#360
Ambassador: Alaska Airlines
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: BWI
Posts: 7,390
Possible but I think that GS/1K detail would have been announced if true.
In terms of the number of GS members and/or "protecting" the program, bear in mind that very few families have two road-warrior spouses. The number must be absolutely minuscule. My spouse, as an example, only flies around 12 segments per year so there's really little issue of competition from her.
On the other hand, I do agree that the program (as rolled out in this announcement) is really a downgrade for singles.
In terms of the number of GS members and/or "protecting" the program, bear in mind that very few families have two road-warrior spouses. The number must be absolutely minuscule. My spouse, as an example, only flies around 12 segments per year so there's really little issue of competition from her.
On the other hand, I do agree that the program (as rolled out in this announcement) is really a downgrade for singles.
Don't get me wrong, by earning GS status you do deserve to have your significant other to have GS status, I am just a little concerned about how they will PROTECT the exclusivity of the program.