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Dan1113 Apr 3, 2021 3:01 am

Have we heard if Scotland is likely to join the traffic light system?

NickB Apr 3, 2021 3:13 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33148036)
I think it's at least 2 months away. There is no immediate sign of MHRA authorisation and even if there was it takes a while thereafter. Novavax may arrive sooner.

How come? The vaccine has been approved by the EMA and we are always told that the EMA is awfully slow and the MHRA more nimble. What has happened with the J&J that results in this delay?

ahmetdouas Apr 3, 2021 4:31 am


Originally Posted by NickB (Post 33148200)
How come? The vaccine has been approved by the EMA and we are always told that the EMA is awfully slow and the MHRA more nimble. What has happened with the J&J that results in this delay?

probably because we are in the back of the queue supply wise after europe and USA. It’s not being made in the uk so we are in trouble. It’s a shame as a one dose regimen really speeds things up

Misco60 Apr 3, 2021 4:32 am


Originally Posted by VSLover (Post 33148172)
meanwhile, just a few minutes east in hackney and tower hamlets (ie all my friends in shoreditch) i have seen about 5 or 6 different friends in their 30s there already getting jabbed in the last week.

The table posted above by cws suggests that the figures for every age group are very similar in Islington, Hackney and Tower Hamlets.

ahmetdouas Apr 3, 2021 6:00 am

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HB7 Apr 3, 2021 6:19 am


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33148140)
These companies will not survive without the summer season. They had no choice and nothing to lose by selling the holidays from 18 May. It is only the government/tax payer that lose if they were to fail. We do not have too long to wait to find out what will really happen.

I agree that these companies won't survive, however, neither will small airports all over the UK, hotels, tourism companies, food and beverage shops within close proximity to airports or in airports, taxi drivers etc etc. There are millions of jobs and livelihoods on the line here - however the government has shown they don't care, IMO it is pretty simple. The government has not really supported the industry and furlough is not enough.

Even if furlough is barely enough to keep hold of some staff in these industries, it finishes in September. The way things are going, there will still be huge restrictions and likely half the globe off-limits in September - so what happens then?? You'll have millions losing furlough and the aviation/travel/tourism industries are at best stuttering.

Testing and vaccines have been shown to be very effective. There are multiple reports every week it seems about the effectiveness of vaccines at reducing illness, transmission and almost illuminating hospitalisation and death. Lots of reports also show vaccines are effective against the so called 'variants'. Come the middle of May, you will have your most vulnerable fully vaccinated and then some. Assuming all nine priority groups will be fully vaccinated in June, why are we not restarting travel safely? I can see the point in a 'red-list' (even though many countries on this makes absolutely no sense - UAE, Qatar to name a few), but all other countries should only require quick antigen/lateral flow tests before and after.

I scratch my head at the idea that travel should only resume when Covid is basically down to zero. Many people may not care about what happens to these industries and the people who work in them, however millions of people losing their jobs this year - in any industry will have catastrophic effects on the UK for many years to come.

paulaf Apr 3, 2021 6:19 am


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33148100)
Holiday companies such as jet2 and Tui are selling their holidays from 18th May. They have been for some time and the marketing campaign is in full swing. All the usual destinations like the Canaries, Turkey, Spain etc. That means they have committed to hotels, flights, staff and so on. If these holidays do not happen, they are in big trouble. Getting out of that trouble would require big bailouts from the government and the government does not have piles of cash sitting around unused at present. The government underwrites the ATOL scheme, so whatever happens the government is on the hook for lots of money. I think whatever happens, non-essential travel will restart in a viable way from May 17th. The alternative is not affordable. It is hard to believe the government has not given some unofficial assurances to the holiday companies.

Does anyone have any info or idea on when Spain will open up for tourism, the 30th March date was a false alarm, the entry requirements are still heavily restricted? Many other Med countries have set out their dates eg Greece, Cyprus, Malta, Croatia. They must have taken hotel bookings from the UK from 17th May in anticipation of us allowing some form of travel?

HB7 Apr 3, 2021 6:27 am


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33148100)
Holiday companies such as jet2 and Tui are selling their holidays from 18th May. They have been for some time and the marketing campaign is in full swing. All the usual destinations like the Canaries, Turkey, Spain etc. That means they have committed to hotels, flights, staff and so on. If these holidays do not happen, they are in big trouble. Getting out of that trouble would require big bailouts from the government and the government does not have piles of cash sitting around unused at present. The government underwrites the ATOL scheme, so whatever happens the government is on the hook for lots of money. I think whatever happens, non-essential travel will restart in a viable way from May 17th. The alternative is not affordable. It is hard to believe the government has not given some unofficial assurances to the holiday companies.

I see Spain/Canaries as being a small possibility from June or July, and maybe Portugal, but absolutely no other European nation till maybe July or later. I don't know how much trouble these two particular companies will be in, but I'm fairly certain a lot of these packages/flights/hotels etc are going to need to be refunded, because I'm doubtful anything will happen in May.

Unless there is something we don't know - I don't think the government cares if they fail or don't. If the government can only give nurses an extra 1%, and have not budged, even after the national outcry, I'm fairly sure there is no more money to be splashed around anymore.

VSLover Apr 3, 2021 6:51 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33148264)
The table posted above by cws suggests that the figures for every age group are very similar in Islington, Hackney and Tower Hamlets.


perhaps but i'm just relaying actual in person feedback from a GP in islington which was the question but it does still go to my question last week which was how to they determine when to "move on" with the next group if the data looks like this, it would obviously be problematic on a community basis to continue holding out until they reached, say 88% or higher.

ahmetdouas Apr 3, 2021 7:23 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33148386)
I see Spain/Canaries as being a small possibility from June or July, and maybe Portugal, but absolutely no other European nation till maybe July or later. I don't know how much trouble these two particular companies will be in, but I'm fairly certain a lot of these packages/flights/hotels etc are going to need to be refunded, because I'm doubtful anything will happen in May.

Unless there is something we don't know - I don't think the government cares if they fail or don't. If the government can only give nurses an extra 1%, and have not budged, even after the national outcry, I'm fairly sure there is no more money to be splashed around anymore.

May for all, but with conditions.

paulaf Apr 3, 2021 7:35 am


Originally Posted by VSLover (Post 33148417)
perhaps but i'm just relaying actual in person feedback from a GP in islington which was the question but it does still go to my question last week which was how to they determine when to "move on" with the next group if the data looks like this, it would obviously be problematic on a community basis to continue holding out until they reached, say 88% or higher.

I guess we're waiting for more supplies, we're short of 6.7m AZ, 5m from India and the 1.7m batch that needed retesting, there's no further news on that whether it was ditched or given the ok. Maybe when Moderna is definitely here they'll open up the next group.

VSLover Apr 3, 2021 8:01 am


Originally Posted by paulaf (Post 33148496)
I guess we're waiting for more supplies, we're short of 6.7m AZ, 5m from India and the 1.7m batch that needed retesting, there's no further news on that whether it was ditched or given the ok. Maybe when Moderna is definitely here they'll open up the next group.

yeah im very much following that and hoping it resumes soon because i want my friends to be able to get their vaccines too and to stop stressing about the wait. though one is heading to the US next week to get his since it is now easier for most of us citizens to just hop over rather than risk further delay in the UK for the first jab then the added 10 or so weeks for the second.

bluemoon68 Apr 3, 2021 8:41 am


Originally Posted by VSLover (Post 33148417)
perhaps but i'm just relaying actual in person feedback from a GP in islington which was the question but it does still go to my question last week which was how to they determine when to "move on" with the next group if the data looks like this, it would obviously be problematic on a community basis to continue holding out until they reached, say 88% or higher.

I would guess that the national booking website will carry on as now, with downward adjustments on age at intervals. The GP surgeries or groups of surgeries, should mainly have finished their cohort 6 (underlying health conditions). They then could choose to carry on down their patients by age or make some effort to reach those people who have not taken up offers previously. Local to me there is one group of GP surgeries who have held a drive by clinic (literally vaccinating arms thrust out of car windows) for those shielding and held sessions in local mosques and one in a homeless hostel. Another local surgery seems to have revisited those eligible under cohort 6 and offered more patients, while another has worked their way down by age, and is now about age 47. It seems to be some variance on how the surgeries use their allocation.
This doesn’t answer your question on how the GP surgeries are allocated their vaccines - locally they are all crying out for more and tweeting about how they can vaccinate far more in a day than the local MVCs seems to be doing. There are 3 MVCs within 20 miles of me, they are all reducing their opening days over the next 2 weeks, the one in the more affluent area, is shutting completely for 2 weeks.

DaveS Apr 3, 2021 9:23 am

Today's data:

Cases 3,423 (4,715 last Saturday)
Deaths 10 (58 last Saturday)
Hospital admissions 273 (356 on the 21st)
Patients on ventilation 517 (630 on the 25th)

The rate of fall in the 7 day cases average continues to increase. We are now at -28.3% compared with the previous 7 days. And more importantly, the deaths almost made it to single figures today. There is no mention of missing data today on the website, so hopefully these figures are right. I do not know what happened to the missing Wales case data from yesterday. Today they reported just 95 cases.

enviroian Apr 3, 2021 9:25 am

I'm fully vaccinated. Hopefully by my mid june flight dfw-lhr those silly testing requirements will be waived (and the same goes for my country getting back home).


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