Local lockdowns in the UK
#2926
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#2927
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My unscientific poll would suggest you are in the minority. Some are happy to travel now, some will be nervous for some time, and some will be put off by testing cost until that goes away. But I think there is an enormous amount of pent up demand. Everyone I know wants to travel more not less. I haven't heard anyone with the view that the temporary pull back in travel is going to cause them not to travel.
While a domestic market is indeed different than international - just look at the recent surge of travel in the US. I was in US airports several weeks back (even before numbers hit 1.5m/day) and it was hard, besides face masks, to tell anything was different from 2019. United is turning cash flow positive this month and all of the big US airlines are adding lots of routes (admittedly at the expense of business-focused routes, but even there, non-essential business travel is being scheduled).
While a domestic market is indeed different than international - just look at the recent surge of travel in the US. I was in US airports several weeks back (even before numbers hit 1.5m/day) and it was hard, besides face masks, to tell anything was different from 2019. United is turning cash flow positive this month and all of the big US airlines are adding lots of routes (admittedly at the expense of business-focused routes, but even there, non-essential business travel is being scheduled).
#2928
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I think long-term you are right, however, short term, the industry will continue to bleed and suffer, and long term, hopefully, there is a recovery - but the industry will be a fraction of what it is. If we just look at the UK, imagine another 6 months of largely impossible travel, many companies will be lucky to make it through. TUI just two days ago closed over 100 retail stores. There is only so much this industry can take.
#2929
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I think long-term you are right, however, short term, the industry will continue to bleed and suffer, and long term, hopefully, there is a recovery - but the industry will be a fraction of what it is. If we just look at the UK, imagine another 6 months of largely impossible travel, many companies will be lucky to make it through. TUI just two days ago closed over 100 retail stores. There is only so much this industry can take.
I also think TAs closing stores is also a sign of the time with people increasingly comfortable booking travel electronically (it has to be by far the dominant approach for those under 60). I'm not saying the industry isn't hurting. But I see store closings as a slightly different issue.
#2930
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I hadn't thought of that. I'll give it a week or so (since its still very unlikely we are going to get a text) but if no movement by after Easter, then we may start that.
Ha, duly noted. May I ask why? Its not that we think the NHS has bad doctors. I use private health care because (i) I have expat insurance that pays 100%, (ii) my private GP is British but US-educated, familiar with the US system, realizes that we may go back and does things like considers both US and UK standards when setting out a schedule for vaccines for our kids, (iii) we can take a proactive (and some would say more American) approach to testing and screening given that there aren't the fundamental rationing protocols as there are in any public system, (iv) our doctor recognizes US drug-prescribing habits that we are used to and is willing to prescribe drugs (legally) but with less pushback than the NHS, and (v) we get access exactly when we want it (including coming in on a Sunday to jab me against something I needed for a last minute trip to Africa on business one time).
Ha, duly noted. May I ask why? Its not that we think the NHS has bad doctors. I use private health care because (i) I have expat insurance that pays 100%, (ii) my private GP is British but US-educated, familiar with the US system, realizes that we may go back and does things like considers both US and UK standards when setting out a schedule for vaccines for our kids, (iii) we can take a proactive (and some would say more American) approach to testing and screening given that there aren't the fundamental rationing protocols as there are in any public system, (iv) our doctor recognizes US drug-prescribing habits that we are used to and is willing to prescribe drugs (legally) but with less pushback than the NHS, and (v) we get access exactly when we want it (including coming in on a Sunday to jab me against something I needed for a last minute trip to Africa on business one time).
There are reasons why many NHS staff are so opposed to privatisation - perhaps this is reflected in a deep discomfort with patients acting like consumers. Indeed there are people who celebrate that its socialised healthcare - so you should be happy with what the state has arranged for you, etc.
I would say it's quite a generalisation. I have a GP who actively encouraged me to use private healthcare on the basis of the excessive waiting times at the local hospital (I have private health cover, but rarely use it). TBH, once you're referred to a consultant, it's quite likely they're doing both NHS and private practice.
The big difference here is that urgent and critical care is pretty much all NHS. A lot of front-line doctors will see private doctors' mistakes (or what they perceive as being such) dumped on them. So, regardless of the insurance you have, it's worth having an NHS record - if nothing else, it helps with communication if you ever find yourself in need of urgent or critical care.
The big difference here is that urgent and critical care is pretty much all NHS. A lot of front-line doctors will see private doctors' mistakes (or what they perceive as being such) dumped on them. So, regardless of the insurance you have, it's worth having an NHS record - if nothing else, it helps with communication if you ever find yourself in need of urgent or critical care.
Outside of London a non-NHS GP is a rarity.
#2931
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Right, I really hate doctors/dentists that say that. And they usually STFU when I say "thanks for telling me that, I am going to court, I will have my <v. high profile medical negligence lawyer friend> contact you as a witness so you can document exactly what they did that was wrong, and I will also be speaking to the GMC too". They usually change their tune instantly. But, I really, really, hate it when they do that. Thanks for listening.
#2932
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On a different topic, I’m on a whatsapp chat with a group of former colleagues in BA Ops. Apparently today’s flight to MLE has more than 20 families with kids onboard. I’m the first to say that the current rules are idiotic and wholly representative of the wholly overpromoted minds that reside in the DfT and Home Office but... this is taking the p*ss.
#2933
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Have you tried TSE's suggestion in post 2896? Just to see if you have an NHS Number already? I'm astonished at the slowness, registration can be done in 5 minutes.
#2934
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We were also astonished as to what the hold up is.
If we register with another surgery, will it conflict with our pending one causing problems?
#2935
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On a different topic, Im on a whatsapp chat with a group of former colleagues in BA Ops. Apparently todays flight to MLE has more than 20 families with kids onboard. Im the first to say that the current rules are idiotic and wholly representative of the wholly overpromoted minds that reside in the DfT and Home Office but... this is taking the p*ss.
I agree with you. I'm 100% opposed to the travel restrictions but the lack of enforcement is pretty laughable. They are presumably going to have an interesting conversation at UKBF on return, however.
#2936
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i figured this was a london/non-london thing mostly. my NHS GP which i signed up for because i'd rather go to my GP around the corner than schlep over to the shard where my private dr is based and frankly the NHS GP is great for my minor things here and there and if i need a specialty consult i can either use my private GP or the NHS GP easily provides private referral letters without blinking an eye--and mostly again to get things done more quickly.
AS FOR TRAVEL--as much as i'd love to hop on a longhaul plane as soon as allowed, i have no real interest this summer when flight schedules will continue to change regularly and covid protocols are still strong. lucklily BA have cancelled two of my 3 longhaul trips i booked...and hoping they cancel one of the legs of the remaining trip--but even if they do not, then i will be all too happy to hop on that plane for a weekend getaway to NYC in july! of course, if this jab business really does hit a bottleneck here in the UK and i wouldnt be able to get my 2nd jab until late summer, then i will have no qualms going for my jab in the california where im legall entitled at the moment.
AS FOR TRAVEL--as much as i'd love to hop on a longhaul plane as soon as allowed, i have no real interest this summer when flight schedules will continue to change regularly and covid protocols are still strong. lucklily BA have cancelled two of my 3 longhaul trips i booked...and hoping they cancel one of the legs of the remaining trip--but even if they do not, then i will be all too happy to hop on that plane for a weekend getaway to NYC in july! of course, if this jab business really does hit a bottleneck here in the UK and i wouldnt be able to get my 2nd jab until late summer, then i will have no qualms going for my jab in the california where im legall entitled at the moment.
#2937
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I interpret this as "road user", so I would ask you to stop for 15 minutes if you were going to be on a road, but not if you weren't. One of our sites is in a big park to the north of the city where things are quiet and there's a 10 mph speed limit. The other is Scotswood Road (aka A695) with a 50 mph speed limit, so I'd try to keep the cyclist back, or invite them to walk for the first 15 minutes. It's a voluntary thing actually, but everyone follows the guidance, and often stays a few minutes longer just to be safe. Walking to your vaccination is best, if you can do so.
#2938
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The other option, of course, is you book an appointment for some problem that is worrying you. They can't make the booking usually, unless you are set up.
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#2939
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On a different topic, Im on a whatsapp chat with a group of former colleagues in BA Ops. Apparently todays flight to MLE has more than 20 families with kids onboard. Im the first to say that the current rules are idiotic and wholly representative of the wholly overpromoted minds that reside in the DfT and Home Office but... this is taking the p*ss.
#2940
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Indeed, it was Pfizer. I had my first jab about 4 weeks ago. Only symptom was a slightly sore upper arm for a day. My sister had hers the same day, and she couldn't move her arm the following day is was so painful!