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Originally Posted by GlobalEntry
(Post 24927757)
Looks like this is a typical MIA thing. In no other airport, I've been selected to secondary with GE and it took a lot of time to pass it. That they revoked your GE just because you were a little harsh to the officer is a complete joke. Some travelers with a customs violation still hold GE.
Only the OP knows the true story but I am sure there is more to it. It is hard to believe he wound up in handcuffs simply because he rolled his eyes. My guess is that a lot more transpired than the OP has let us in on. |
Originally Posted by GlobalEntry
(Post 24927757)
Looks like this is a typical MIA thing. In no other airport, I've been selected to secondary with GE and it took a lot of time to pass it. That they revoked your GE just because you were a little harsh to the officer is a complete joke. Some travelers with a customs violation still hold GE.
After the eye roll, things predictably went down hill. The officer has the power to make things more inconvenient for you. Never show the emotions of your tiring travels or bad day when in customs. When the OP refused to sit back down and ends up in cuffs, that is all on him. No matter how brusque or mean a LEO might seem, I always do everything they say no matter how bad of a day I am having. They have all of the power during a secondary or traffic stop like it or not. From a non-customs perspective it is the same. For instance, every few years I get pulled over for speeding. I give them my registration and license and pretend to be happy (even though I am not). It ends up well as the officer usually writes the ticket for a much lessor speed violation than I actually was driving and I save a lot of money. I get an attorney to later negotiate the violation down to illegal parking. It does not lessen the fine but keeps my insurance company from finding out. In LAS most of the reasonable traffic attorneys will do this for only $50. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 24924407)
It would have been nice if you had included the handcuffing piece in your OP. It is a game changer and moves from SOL to COL (completely out of luck).
As soon as force was used, the Officer and his Supervisor wrote it up, just in case you later asserted some injury. The chances that such an entry is removed are somewhat less than zero. Water under the bridge for this OP, but keep your encounters with CBP professional. Eye-rolling and the like does nothing to move the ball and as OP found, started down a very bad path. The guys asks for your passport, you hand it to him. If you drop it, you apologize and hand it to him. I'm thinking you might want to FOI CBP at this point to find out just what they did put in your file and see if it's at least accurate or if they made it out to be other than it was in your opinion and what you need to say in any future application(s) to make sure your story matches their's completely. Unfortunately though, unless it's changed recently, be prepared for a very, very, VERY long wait for a reply to that FOI. Still, I'd do it if you want to get a somewhat better picture of what your options are down the line. |
Short story. Approved for GE. Then applied for Nexus. Went to the interview and the next day my Nexus app was denied and GE was revoked. Applied and was approved for TSA Pre Check.
Appealed my GE being revoked a few days after it was revoked. Which was back in Dec. also wrote to my congrassman. |
Originally Posted by dnLwire
(Post 24934382)
Short story. Approved for GE. Then applied for Nexus. Went to the interview and the next day my Nexus app was denied and GE was revoked. Applied and was approved for TSA Pre Check.
Appealed my GE being revoked a few days after it was revoked. Which was back in Dec. also wrote to my congrassman. Did your NEXUS application and GE application have any application entries which were misaligned with each other and/or other data entries on GOES? |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 24935918)
When you say "approved for GE" in the second sentence above, do you mean conditional approval (pre-interview) or (post-interview) final approval?
Did your NEXUS application and GE application have any application entries which were misaligned with each other and/or other data entries on GOES? All the information on both apps were a mirror to each other, but I did have a few arrest that I fully disclosed on both applications. Arrests were brought up at my GE interview by CBP officer and I had court documents showing the out comes on all arrest that showed up on my record. At my nexus interview my arrest were not brought up, but I'm assuming they didn't bring them up due to me doing a group interview with my family. |
Originally Posted by dnLwire
(Post 24935962)
I went to my GE interview and was approved. A few months later I applied for Nexus and was conditional approved and went to the Nexus interview. A day later Nexus was denied GE was revoked.
All the information on both apps were a mirror to each other, but I did have a few arrest that I fully disclosed on both applications. Arrests were brought up at my GE interview by CBP officer and I had court documents showing the out comes on all arrest that showed up on my record. At my nexus interview my arrest were not brought up, but I'm assuming they didn't bring them up due to me doing a group interview with my family. There have been instances where Canada pulled NEXUS status and GE status was revoked as a result of Canada revoking NEXUS membership and whatever it was that Canada relied upon when revoking such membership. There is a possibility that your lack of bringing up your own arrest history at the interview may have bit you, even if the issue was only/primarily on the U.S. side, but that would be sort of unusual if this was brought up and resolved earlier. |
Originally Posted by dnLwire
(Post 24935962)
I went to my GE interview and was approved. A few months later I applied for Nexus and was conditional approved and went to the Nexus interview. A day later Nexus was denied GE was revoked.
All the information on both apps were a mirror to each other, but I did have a few arrest that I fully disclosed on both applications. Arrests were brought up at my GE interview by CBP officer and I had court documents showing the out comes on all arrest that showed up on my record. At my nexus interview my arrest were not brought up, but I'm assuming they didn't bring them up due to me doing a group interview with my family. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 24924407)
It would have been nice if you had included the handcuffing piece in your OP
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I don't know that anybody has tried this, but for the cost of a stamp, try sending a personal letter to the CBP District Director for Miami. Get his name, get is title and address correct and send a formal, e.g. nice stationery, proofread letter in which you:
1. Apologize 2. Stress that if you were perceived as belligerent, you did not mean it 3. That you understand the important work Officers do and how little they need the extra hassle. 4. Ask if he will intercede to assist with GE restoration 5. Apologize If you can't bring yourself to do this, don't. Only you know what GE is worth to you. And nobody can tell you whether this will work. DD's have significant authority in the CBP world and it's my guess that few people make personal approaches to them. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 24935998)
Any chance that the Canadians denied you for NEXUS while the U.S. was fine with you having NEXUS and/or GE status prior to the NEXUS denial?
There have been instances where Canada pulled NEXUS status and GE status was revoked as a result of Canada revoking NEXUS membership and whatever it was that Canada relied upon when revoking such membership. There is a possibility that your lack of bringing up your own arrest history at the interview may have bit you, even if the issue was only/primarily on the U.S. side, but that would be sort of unusual if this was brought up and resolved earlier. I knew i forgot something. She also asked me numerous times if I had any Tattoos. Good thing I'm a U.S Born Citizen. If I would of been applying for U.S Citizenship I'm sure she would of denied my application. Approved for GE We are pleased to inform you that your U. S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Global Entry program membership has been approved. You may use the program as soon as you receive and activate your new Global Entry card. Denial Nexus letter Thank you for your application to the NEXUS program of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. NEXUS is a voluntary program available to travelers that pass a comprehensive background investigation. Applicants found to be ineligible for NEXUS participation may still be permitted to enter into the United States although they will not be permitted to use the NEXUS dedicated lanes. We regret to inform you that your membership in NEXUS has been disapproved for the following reason(s): You have been convicted and/or arrested for a criminal offense You do not meet program eligibility requirements. GE revoked Thank you for your participation in the Global Entry program of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Global Entry is a voluntary program available to travelers that pass a comprehensive background investigation. Applicants found to be ineligible for Global Entry participation may still be permitted to enter into the United States although they will not be permitted to use the Global Entry dedicated lanes. We regret to inform you that your membership in Global Entry has been revoked for the following reason: You do not meet program eligibility requirements. Nexus reapplication Thank you for your application to the NEXUS program of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. NEXUS is a voluntary program available to travelers that pass a comprehensive background investigation. Applicants found to be ineligible for NEXUS participation may still be permitted to enter into the United States although they will not be permitted to use the NEXUS dedicated lanes. We regret to inform you that your membership in NEXUS has been disapproved for the following reason(s): Other You are not a low risk applicant. GE reapplication Thank you for your application to the Global Entry program of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Global Entry is a voluntary program available to travelers that pass a comprehensive background investigation. Applicants found to be ineligible for Global Entry participation may still be permitted to enter into the United States although they will not be permitted to use the Global Entry dedicated lanes. We regret to inform you that your membership in Global Entry has been disapproved for the following reason(s): Other You currently have a reconsideration request pending for your Global Entry. This request was received on December XX, 2014 and is still pending. Please wait for a response to your reconsideration request. Just in case you are wonder why I spent so much money on applying for GE and Nexus. I used my $300 annual travel credit that my Ritz-Carlton card. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 24937853)
I don't know that anybody has tried this, but for the cost of a stamp, try sending a personal letter to the CBP District Director for Miami. Get his name, get is title and address correct and send a formal, e.g. nice stationery, proofread letter in which you:
1. Apologize 2. Stress that if you were perceived as belligerent, you did not mean it 3. That you understand the important work Officers do and how little they need the extra hassle. 4. Ask if he will intercede to assist with GE restoration 5. Apologize If you can't bring yourself to do this, don't. Only you know what GE is worth to you. And nobody can tell you whether this will work. DD's have significant authority in the CBP world and it's my guess that few people make personal approaches to them. |
The tattoo question seems to have been an indication that the CBP agent was thinking there was undisclosed gang affiliation even after making the assertion of not being part of a gang.
The ombudsman angle may indeed be less useful -- and often slower -- than the area/district/port director approach, but I would be surprised if the Miami director would offer much more than another GE interview chance with no guarantee of approval and/or maintenance of status if reinstated/approved. These directors have their own career interests to protect. |
Whatever the OP did to warrant being cuffed, it seems like a pretty sure-fire way to get kicked out of a "trusted traveler" program. Part of what you sign up for is playing nice with the authorities, they get to choose who gets the special treatment and who doesn't, and if you piss them off, no GE for you.
And being polite and deferent to CBP officers is just a good idea, even if you're not in a TTP. They have all sorts of power to make your life miserable w/o the same sort of due process LEOs are subject to. |
If you can't get relief from the Ombudsman, I'd sue.
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