It is confusing. In some respects there is some level of sharing as a KTN generated by the GE process is recognized by TSA for PreCheck. However, and granted I'm only going on one conversation with a CBP agent, a PreCheck generated KTN cannot be used if the individual subsequently enrolls in GE. New GE enrollees are given a whole new KTN. Strange that a single KTN can't be used universally across all the systems like a SSN. No reason why you'd ever do it but you could wind up with a number of valid KTNs. My wife, for instance, has a KTN by way of her being a DoD employee and a completely different KTN from GE. I suppose she could have enrolled in PreCheck before DoD struck the deal with DHS/TSA to recognize the number on the back of her ID card as a KTN and would then have three separate KTNs or KTN-like numbers to use for PreCheck.

The question though is whether the KTN's "talk" to each other. In other words, if your wife's GE were revoked, would TSA suspend the KTN associated with DOD? Would TSA suspend its own KTN were she also enrolled directly in pre-check?

Care to share more details about the disagreement?

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I was randomly selected for secondary screening at MIA. CBP Agent asked for my passport. I hand 9 things in my hands and plucked it out and dropped it on the metal table between us for him. He demanded I pick it back up and place it in his hands instead. I didn't appreciate the power trip over nothing. I gave it to him and rolled my eyes. He asked if I had a problem and then told me to sit back down and he would get to me when he was good and ready. I replied come on man, please just search me and let me get out of here. His reply verbatim was "are you refusing to obey orders?" and before I could answer I was bent over the table in handcuffs. They took me in the back room in the screening area. Supervisor came over, searched me, told me to obey every command the officers gave and let me go. (I obviously had nothing illicit with me).

That's when I got the email my GE was being revoked. I have been through CBP checkpoints in a dozen airports easily over 100 times. Have never, ever had a problem.

It does sound like I'm SOL at this point. Already wrote to the Ombudsman who only verified the agents version of events. I'd like to at least be able to go and get pre-check, just didn't want to waste my time if having my GE revoked is an automatic disqualification.

It would have been nice if you had included the handcuffing piece in your OP. It is a game changer and moves from SOL to COL (completely out of luck).

As soon as force was used, the Officer and his Supervisor wrote it up, just in case you later asserted some injury. The chances that such an entry is removed are somewhat less than zero.

Water under the bridge for this OP, but keep your encounters with CBP professional. Eye-rolling and the like does nothing to move the ball and as OP found, started down a very bad path. The guys asks for your passport, you hand it to him. If you drop it, you apologize and hand it to him.

Too much to expect CBP to be professional though? It's sad to expect people to roll over and beg. But, I guess it is for the good of the reich and all Citizens must learn to obey for their own safety and continued privilges.

There's professionalism and then there's being on a power trip for no reason at all. Who cares if the traveler gets his passport out on the table for the officer or if he hands it to him? Take the damn passport and go back to searching grandmothers for smuggled apples.

Absolutely agreed. We may not like it, but thems the rules.

Seems like the problem is you started telling him how to do his job.

Quite honestly I have no idea. Finding somebody in DoD who understands the relationships would be difficult at best if such person or office even exists. It probably would be no better with TSA. The easy answer would be if you screwed up sufficiently enough to get your GE revoked there could or would be second and third impacts down the line. Would depend I guess on the level of the perceived or actual "offense".

So nobody on the forum has had their GE revoked and then applied for PreCheck?

Check out the Denial of Global Entry thread and there are several reports of people getting denied for Global Entry but approved for PreCheck later. I don't recall seeing anyone revoked for GE and then approved for PreCheck.

Looks like this is a typical MIA thing. In no other airport, I've been selected to secondary with GE and it took a lot of time to pass it. That they revoked your GE just because you were a little harsh to the officer is a complete joke. Some travelers with a customs violation still hold GE.

I feel the same too. The incidence may become an issue in re-applying GOES or TSA Precheck, as government agencies expect us to comply with their agents' instructions. Sign of contempt is not helping the situation. Referral to Ombudsman will mean that it stays in the file for a while. Making peace with the CBP seems a better approach.