physically ejected from a plane
Jun 17, 1999 | 6:09 pm
#16
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Yes, now I remember the incident with "cartman."
I believe he was arrested and prosecuted for
his actions. My situation is quite different
since I was not arrested. The airline personnel
felt I was not entitled to any answer from them.
They put me up in a hotel and welcome me aboard
the next flight. There was an incident in the
past where a couple was denied boarding because
they smelled funny. Maybe that's my situation, or
maybe not. I still paid that money for that flight-extra money because it was a weekend flight. And no I wasn't on a june 14th flight. Basically, what right does a passenger have for being thrown off a plane?
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I believe he was arrested and prosecuted for
his actions. My situation is quite different
since I was not arrested. The airline personnel
felt I was not entitled to any answer from them.
They put me up in a hotel and welcome me aboard
the next flight. There was an incident in the
past where a couple was denied boarding because
they smelled funny. Maybe that's my situation, or
maybe not. I still paid that money for that flight-extra money because it was a weekend flight. And no I wasn't on a june 14th flight. Basically, what right does a passenger have for being thrown off a plane?
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Jun 17, 1999 | 6:25 pm
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"a couple was denied boarding because they smelled funny. Maybe that's my situation, or maybe not."
chauming, your "case"-description is so vague that I start believing the airline did just right.
chauming, your "case"-description is so vague that I start believing the airline did just right.
Jun 17, 1999 | 7:11 pm
#18
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Chauming, your description is so vague and schetchy, I don't know what you expect people to say. Just what are you fishing for? Are you looking to out the darkest secrets of FlyerTalkers? 
I am starting to agree with Rudi that your lack of detail rather suggests you did something to get yourself in that sitaution. Also, I don't quite see how you expect an explanation now, if the airline didn't give you one at the time.
The crew must have offered some sort of explanation if only to calm the nerves of your fellow passengers. If my seatmate were mysteriously asked to leave for no obvious reason, I think I would be a little worried.
J.
I am starting to agree with Rudi that your lack of detail rather suggests you did something to get yourself in that sitaution. Also, I don't quite see how you expect an explanation now, if the airline didn't give you one at the time.
The crew must have offered some sort of explanation if only to calm the nerves of your fellow passengers. If my seatmate were mysteriously asked to leave for no obvious reason, I think I would be a little worried.
J.
Jun 17, 1999 | 7:33 pm
#19
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What's the real story? Were you on the right plane to begin with?
We had a recent experience where there were two flights from Detroit to Seattle leaving only 15 minutes apart from adjacent gates. For reasons I didn't exactly understand, there were a bunch of people on our flight who were actually supposed to be on the flight which left 15 minutes later. Naturally when the FAs asked those people to identify themselves, nobody spoke up. Some actually had no idea they were on the wrong plane and some just didn't want to move.
When they found the first few offenders they did physically eject them from the plane but it was taking too long, so they just finally gave up and put the overload on the later plane.
In the end it really didn't matter because both planes arrived at almost exactly the same time and shared the same baggage claim position. People were just miffed because the didn't get the seat they though they were supposed to have.
It provided fairly interesting entertainment.
We had a recent experience where there were two flights from Detroit to Seattle leaving only 15 minutes apart from adjacent gates. For reasons I didn't exactly understand, there were a bunch of people on our flight who were actually supposed to be on the flight which left 15 minutes later. Naturally when the FAs asked those people to identify themselves, nobody spoke up. Some actually had no idea they were on the wrong plane and some just didn't want to move.
When they found the first few offenders they did physically eject them from the plane but it was taking too long, so they just finally gave up and put the overload on the later plane.
In the end it really didn't matter because both planes arrived at almost exactly the same time and shared the same baggage claim position. People were just miffed because the didn't get the seat they though they were supposed to have.
It provided fairly interesting entertainment.
Jun 17, 1999 | 10:45 pm
#20
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One circumstance where the airlines reserve the right to take you off is if you're flying on an employee ticket - you agree to un-board if that's needed.
This led to a humorous (though perhaps apocryphal) story concerning a (male) employee named "Gay" (perhaps short for Gaylord). After he took the wrong seat, the counter agent came on and asked the passenger in the correct seat if he was Gay. The unsuspecting passenger made the obvious incorrect interpretation, and answered that indeed he was! "You'll have to get off, sir." At which point our hero said "No, I'm Gay; I'll get off" and another nearby passenger announced "I'm gay, too - they can't throw us all off!"
Back to Chauming's situation, or lack thereof, I agree that we need more information to comment...and his lack of same makes me suspect the airline did the right thing.
This led to a humorous (though perhaps apocryphal) story concerning a (male) employee named "Gay" (perhaps short for Gaylord). After he took the wrong seat, the counter agent came on and asked the passenger in the correct seat if he was Gay. The unsuspecting passenger made the obvious incorrect interpretation, and answered that indeed he was! "You'll have to get off, sir." At which point our hero said "No, I'm Gay; I'll get off" and another nearby passenger announced "I'm gay, too - they can't throw us all off!"
Back to Chauming's situation, or lack thereof, I agree that we need more information to comment...and his lack of same makes me suspect the airline did the right thing.
Jun 18, 1999 | 4:23 am
#21
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I thought that I explained it in every one
of my posts-that I am looking for information
on what rights do passengers have when they
get kicked off the plane. I am not looking for
reasons why people get kicked off planes, nor
am Iooking for smartass remarks. So far not
one person has answered the question. I thought it
was a simple question, not a vague one. I am not going
to create "details." The facts are what has
already stated. I ask for your help, not sarcasm.
of my posts-that I am looking for information
on what rights do passengers have when they
get kicked off the plane. I am not looking for
reasons why people get kicked off planes, nor
am Iooking for smartass remarks. So far not
one person has answered the question. I thought it
was a simple question, not a vague one. I am not going
to create "details." The facts are what has
already stated. I ask for your help, not sarcasm.
Jun 18, 1999 | 4:38 am
#22
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Chauming, your rights depend on the reason you were kicked off the plane. What was the reason that the airline gave you that you were removed? This you have not told us. They must have said something when you asked why. There are many, many reasons in which the airline has every right to have a person removed from a flight. There are also many instances where if you are removed involuntarily that some sort of denied boarding compensation is due to you. But no one can give you the advise you request without a more specific account of just what occured in your instance.
Jun 18, 1999 | 6:26 am
#24
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I'm sorry for your perception that we are making smart remarks. I have re-read this thread and I can understand why you would feel that way. Please believe that all comments were meant to be in good humor, and no offense was intended. Unfortunately, with the limited amount of information you have provided, we can only provide general advice.
All paid air travel is subject to what is called the "Conditions of Contract". This is the reams of paperwork that represent the airlines shot at rules. They change frequently. What these rules entitle you to, and what the airline might do for you can be two very different things depending upon why you were ejected, how much business you give the airline, the mood of the rep you speak to, and a million other variables.
Airline compensation when they are at fault, and the only damage is a being put on a later flight is usually limited to the cost of your temporary accomodations and meals, upgraded service on the next flight and a voucher not exceeding the full fare cost of the flight you were bumped from. With no other details of your situation, that is the most you could ask for.
If we knew what reason they provided to you, we would be better able to determine what you could obtain.
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All paid air travel is subject to what is called the "Conditions of Contract". This is the reams of paperwork that represent the airlines shot at rules. They change frequently. What these rules entitle you to, and what the airline might do for you can be two very different things depending upon why you were ejected, how much business you give the airline, the mood of the rep you speak to, and a million other variables.
Airline compensation when they are at fault, and the only damage is a being put on a later flight is usually limited to the cost of your temporary accomodations and meals, upgraded service on the next flight and a voucher not exceeding the full fare cost of the flight you were bumped from. With no other details of your situation, that is the most you could ask for.
If we knew what reason they provided to you, we would be better able to determine what you could obtain.
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Jun 18, 1999 | 10:41 am
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"charmguy", arturo giv yu lessin frum "charm skool"--yu usualy git out of sumthin wat yu putt en it". yu knot putt enytheng en yur postie an yu git nuthin back frum et. ef yu want talkfliers two help yu, yu help talkfliers, thet wat we hear fore. arturo knot smert ash wiff yu. arturo luv peepl and knevr bee smert ash.
Jun 19, 1999 | 12:11 am
#26
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first of all, I think it is impossible for an airine to kick you off a plane without even one employee telling you why. At least a small amount of detail should be given to you, hey, when someone get arrested, they are told their rights and why. So if you are failing or hiding the real truth why you are kicked off the plane, no one here can help you.
A lot of us here have mentioned compensation and right depends on why you were kicked off. Just use common sense, would an airline kick you off then offer you hotel and put you on the next plane out without even telling you why they did it.
I think we should all end the discussion of this thread until more information is given to us. An reason should obviously have been given.
Regards,
Empress
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A lot of us here have mentioned compensation and right depends on why you were kicked off. Just use common sense, would an airline kick you off then offer you hotel and put you on the next plane out without even telling you why they did it.
I think we should all end the discussion of this thread until more information is given to us. An reason should obviously have been given.
Regards,
Empress
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Jun 19, 1999 | 4:17 pm
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CHAUMIN:
Based upon my extensive education and background in investigation, etc, I feel you're just being too cryptic for whatever your reasons are.
I suggest that you consult Terry Trippler's www.rulesoftheair.com which you can find at www.1travel.com .
The biggest problem I have is not with what you are telling us, BUT WITH WHAT YOU ARE NOT. Although I've only been posting for 2 months, and am still a "junior member", I've found the FTers to be the most knowledgeable and helpful folks on the www.
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Based upon my extensive education and background in investigation, etc, I feel you're just being too cryptic for whatever your reasons are.
I suggest that you consult Terry Trippler's www.rulesoftheair.com which you can find at www.1travel.com .
The biggest problem I have is not with what you are telling us, BUT WITH WHAT YOU ARE NOT. Although I've only been posting for 2 months, and am still a "junior member", I've found the FTers to be the most knowledgeable and helpful folks on the www.
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Jun 19, 1999 | 4:19 pm
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Empress: I going to show you why your post
makes no sense and the impossible sounds
like very probable. If a person gets arrested he
can point to the law and the constitution for
an explanation of the charges. When you get
thrown off a plane and the airline staff tells
you that you are not entitled to an explanation, what
are you going to tell them? This is an actual
situation, not some made up story. Unless you
can answer the question of why they cannot throw you off the plane without an explanation, then they have every right to do so.
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makes no sense and the impossible sounds
like very probable. If a person gets arrested he
can point to the law and the constitution for
an explanation of the charges. When you get
thrown off a plane and the airline staff tells
you that you are not entitled to an explanation, what
are you going to tell them? This is an actual
situation, not some made up story. Unless you
can answer the question of why they cannot throw you off the plane without an explanation, then they have every right to do so.
[This message has been edited by chauming (edited 06-20-1999).]