Another question about tipping (in Restaurants)...
Aug 6, 2004 | 7:35 am
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Another question about tipping (in Restaurants)...
If a restaurant includes tips in the bill, does anybody actually leave additional tip? When on a project in Miami, I noticed that the restaurants included 18% tip on the bill (what happened to 15%, #@&$it?) and then had the audacity to include a line for "additional tip". For me, if a restaurant includes a tip in the bill, thats it. They have taken away any input from me as to the amount of tip. Unless I receive service which is nothing short of miraculous, I will never leave "additional tip".
The WORST is hotel room service where they include a "delivery charge", THEN a tip, THEN yet another space for the guest to put "additional tip".
Feels good to get that off my chest. What do you guys think?
The WORST is hotel room service where they include a "delivery charge", THEN a tip, THEN yet another space for the guest to put "additional tip".
Feels good to get that off my chest. What do you guys think?
Aug 6, 2004 | 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by nd_eric_77
If a restaurant includes tips in the bill, does anybody actually leave additional tip? When on a project in Miami, I noticed that the restaurants included 18% tip on the bill (what happened to 15%, #@&$it?) and then had the audacity to include a line for "additional tip". For me, if a restaurant includes a tip in the bill, thats it. They have taken away any input from me as to the amount of tip. Unless I receive service which is nothing short of miraculous, I will never leave "additional tip".
The WORST is hotel room service where they include a "delivery charge", THEN a tip, THEN yet another space for the guest to put "additional tip".
Feels good to get that off my chest. What do you guys think?
The WORST is hotel room service where they include a "delivery charge", THEN a tip, THEN yet another space for the guest to put "additional tip".
Feels good to get that off my chest. What do you guys think?
Aug 6, 2004 | 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by Analise
The only time I've seen tips included in the bill are for larger parties. Now when I'm in Europe, I tip for good service even if the gratuity is included. If service is average or below, then no tip.
Aug 6, 2004 | 8:53 am
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My theory on the 18% included tip is that the extra is to help with taxes since the possibility of non-reported income has been virtually eliminated.
I just got back from a cruise on RCCL where they have changed the previous practice of cash only tips to allowing pax to charge them. I noticed a peculiar lack of enthusiasm among the waitstaff for the vouchers vs. the envelopes filled with green.
I just got back from a cruise on RCCL where they have changed the previous practice of cash only tips to allowing pax to charge them. I noticed a peculiar lack of enthusiasm among the waitstaff for the vouchers vs. the envelopes filled with green.
Aug 6, 2004 | 9:10 am
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If the tip is included I do not add an additional tip. It is annoying that you can not reduce the tip for bad service. It also give the server no incentive to provide great service, since they are already getting 18% no matter what.
Aug 6, 2004 | 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by jsm
If the tip is included I do not add an additional tip. It is annoying that you can not reduce the tip for bad service. It also give the server no incentive to provide great service, since they are already getting 18% no matter what.
Aug 6, 2004 | 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by jsm
If the tip is included I do not add an additional tip. It is annoying that you can not reduce the tip for bad service. It also give the server no incentive to provide great service, since they are already getting 18% no matter what.
Aug 6, 2004 | 9:54 pm
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Originally Posted by nd_eric_77
The WORST is hotel room service where they include a "delivery charge", THEN a tip, THEN yet another space for the guest to put "additional tip".
Aug 6, 2004 | 10:46 pm
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Originally Posted by BamaVol
My theory on the 18% included tip is that the extra is to help with taxes since the possibility of non-reported income has been virtually eliminated.
I just got back from a cruise on RCCL where they have changed the previous practice of cash only tips to allowing pax to charge them. I noticed a peculiar lack of enthusiasm among the waitstaff for the vouchers vs. the envelopes filled with green.
I just got back from a cruise on RCCL where they have changed the previous practice of cash only tips to allowing pax to charge them. I noticed a peculiar lack of enthusiasm among the waitstaff for the vouchers vs. the envelopes filled with green.
Aug 9, 2004 | 12:43 pm
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Originally Posted by nd_eric_77
Interesting take that the extra 3% is to make up for the wait staff's reduced or eliminated ability to break the law.
