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LapLap Feb 23, 2024 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by SPN Lifer (Post 36023978)
Are there not tiny, little micro-cameras that one can clip inconspicuously to a blouse or shirt? It probably helps if the clothing is the same color as the camera.

https://www.spyshop.co.uk/Cameras/bo...cl-glasses-dvr

The better question is if there is a way to detect unwanted camera attention. And there is…

https://www.spyshop.co.uk/Counter-Su...tector-scanner

GW McLintock Feb 23, 2024 2:44 pm

If they need to hide cameras, maybe they shouldn't be recording in the first place.

-J.

Davvidd Feb 23, 2024 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 36021260)
No, the thread with the vlogger is the perfect place for "vloggers are annoying" commentary. This will probably get merged with existing Vloggers Are Annoying threads - I see the master one just got bumped.

This is a common rule in many places and with many airlines - you're generally not supposed to film airline/airport operations. (And definitely not security, immigration, or customs operations.) They have the right to tell you to stop and often do.

Of course, people snapping normal travel photos with their phones - of their friends or the airplane itself - no big deal, you won't get hassled for that. But somebody shooting video of the boarding process is probably going to attract attention.

And FWIW I fly a lot and don't see people doing this and getting away with it. If it is happening, then they are concealing it well enough to not get caught.

Yes and not even the crew. This is getting out of hand now I think. I wanted to take some pics and they told me no and also cannot take of any passengers either. It is only allowed to take own pictures or the aircraft without taking any of other passengers. Not sure if the passengers have the right to take pics of other passengers and crew without their permission or not?

truecrimebuff94 Feb 25, 2024 11:02 am


Originally Posted by kennycrudup (Post 36019844)
IMO, OP? You're probably just "old"; the YTers are likely mostly young and get a pass 🤷‍♂️

Haha no. I'm 29.

truecrimebuff94 Feb 25, 2024 11:06 am


Originally Posted by Davvidd (Post 36025639)
Yes and not even the crew. This is getting out of hand now I think. I wanted to take some pics and they told me no and also cannot take of any passengers either. It is only allowed to take own pictures or the aircraft without taking any of other passengers. Not sure if the passengers have the right to take pics of other passengers and crew without their permission or not?

Right. But still no one has answered my question. And trying to stay on topic is why I didn't want my original post merged here. There are plenty of Youtubers who film the whole process on a GoPro or Osmo Pocket and never get told to stop. Some older than me (for the poster who made the comment about my age. lol). So I'm just confused. Is it just crew discretion then?

Davvidd Feb 25, 2024 1:51 pm

Many areas in an airport is not allowed to video or take pics. Especially the immigration, security and customs area. Big signage. In flight I have seen passengers companion too and the crew asked the taker to stop taking it. I am sure they have no issues if they take selfies or of themselves or the fittings inside an aircraft. In my case the crew told me that it was not allowed. On two airlines and I have never tried after that.

fransknorge Feb 27, 2024 1:39 am


Originally Posted by Davvidd (Post 36025639)
Yes and not even the crew. This is getting out of hand now I think. I wanted to take some pics and they told me no and also cannot take of any passengers either. It is only allowed to take own pictures or the aircraft without taking any of other passengers. Not sure if the passengers have the right to take pics of other passengers and crew without their permission or not?

Depends of the jurisdiction but in general no, it is not allowed to take pictures of people without their permission

bigdog2 Feb 27, 2024 11:13 am

I sat next to a foodvlogger? once in PE and i asked the cabin crew if i could swap to an empty seat. lol.

airalmond Feb 27, 2024 11:43 am


Originally Posted by truecrimebuff94 (Post 36018405)
How do other YouTubers get away with this? I've decided to start vlogging my airplane travel, as I go to some unique destinations for work. I tried to film my boarding procedure but got told to stop and delete footage by a FA. Yet, I see plenty of youtubers filming their boarding procedure with no issue. This was American Airlines. I really want to get into this sub-niche of aviation youtubing, but I do not want to cause myself extra grief with the airlines.
(I would never film other pax or FAs. Just B roll of walking on, etc. And please save your "vloggers are annoying" commentary for elsewhere. I'm asking for help to be less intrusive.)

American Airlines has a rule against filming on board their planes, and the FA decided to enforce it.

If you still want to film AA flights, don't be obvious about it.

I have filmed United, Air Canada, Porter, and Lufthansa flights without issues without any prior permission.

KRSW Feb 27, 2024 11:16 pm


Originally Posted by yitianjian (Post 35917260)
Big fan of Jeb, him and Susanne seem very sweet, and some of those train journeys look incredible.

Actually, because of Jeb, I took Mrs.KRSW on a surprise Amtrak trip in a Roomette for Thanksgiving. Florida-Raleigh. We stayed for a few days then headed back. It was our first time on Amtrak and was an absolutely wonderful experience that we didn't want to end. The Amtrak accommodations may not be on the level of The Orient Express, but our cabin attendants absolutely were. From the time they greeted us at the platform, to the time we left, they were the ultimate professionals and always remembered our names.

Unfortunately there's relatively few Amtrak options in Florida, but we're still planning on going on at least 1-2 long-distance Amtrak trips this year.

chessman Feb 29, 2024 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by fransknorge (Post 36033737)
Depends of the jurisdiction but in general no, it is not allowed to take pictures of people without their permission

That's not true in the US for pictures in public. There might be restrictions on use, but nothing prohibiting pictures themselves.

LtKernelPanic Mar 1, 2024 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by chessman (Post 36042290)
That's not true in the US for pictures in public. There might be restrictions on use, but nothing prohibiting pictures themselves.

Except the inside of a plane is not a public place. It's private property owned by the airline (or more likely a leasing company on behalf of the airline). Same with the gate areas. While the airport itself my be owned by the city/state the areas leased by the airlines, i.e. the gate areas, are not public places and fall under the rules of the individual airlines.

Qwkynuf Mar 1, 2024 2:33 pm


Originally Posted by LtKernelPanic (Post 36044239)
Except the inside of a plane is not a public place. It's private property owned by the airline (or more likely a leasing company on behalf of the airline). Same with the gate areas. While the airport itself my be owned by the city/state the areas leased by the airlines, i.e. the gate areas, are not public places and fall under the rules of the individual airlines.

Not so. In most cases, "public" is a definition of accessibility in the USA - not ownership. The gate areas in the airport are publicly accessible spaces, and courts have repeatedly held that there is no expectation of privacy. On the plane itself it's probably the same in theory, but in practice if they don't want you doing it and tell you to stop, they will throw some "interfering with a crew member" charge at you and get their way anyway.

The TSA says, right on their own website, that photography is permitted in the security checkpoints as long as you aren't interfering with the screening process or revealing sensitive information. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/frequentl...not%20revealed.

GW McLintock Mar 1, 2024 3:25 pm


Originally Posted by LtKernelPanic (Post 36044239)
Except the inside of a plane is not a public place. It's private property owned by the airline (or more likely a leasing company on behalf of the airline). Same with the gate areas. While the airport itself my be owned by the city/state the areas leased by the airlines, i.e. the gate areas, are not public places and fall under the rules of the individual airlines.

This is incorrect -- not sure where you read or heard this but it is not the case with most 121 carriers.

Recording of crews performing safety or security related activities is generally prohibited by the individual operators, but AFAIK there is no FAR against it (other than following instructions from crews/placards/etc. and this being one of those instructions). Airport terminals are also generally considered public places with very few exceptions.

-J.

Davvidd Mar 1, 2024 5:07 pm

The Counsel for the National Photographers Association says it is not a public place like the sidewalk etc. It is more like a concert where the organizers can stop people taking pictures or videos. He also says most airlines have a small fine print in that they can stop you from doing so. The problem is that sometimes they enforce it and sometimes they do not.


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