Not allowed to open window shade!?
Nov 30, 2016 | 6:25 am
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If you can open your shade without having an impact on anyone else, go ahead. If you can't, then you need a different approach.
I fly on a 787 with the automatic "shades" yesterday for the first time. All windows got darkened during the flight. Take a hint.
Nov 30, 2016 | 6:45 am
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It's not illegal. If the captain wants to make an issue out of it, fine, but a FA does not have the authority for what you are suggesting. If you see upthread I once challenged a FA to guide me to the specific rule that stated shades had to be closed just because she said so. She walked away in a huff.
Nov 30, 2016 | 8:59 am
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Great advice, LE. Will use it when that happens next.
Nov 30, 2016 | 9:27 am
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It's not illegal. If the captain wants to make an issue out of it, fine, but a FA does not have the authority for what you are suggesting. If you see upthread I once challenged a FA to guide me to the specific rule that stated shades had to be closed just because she said so. She walked away in a huff.
Of course, if they get argumentative it might be easiest to close the shade, later reopen it (and if they come back explain you couldn't do your work/read/etc).
(Yes, I'm usually on my laptop on daytime LH, with the blinds open - so I'd be affected by these imaginary glare issues too. I don't deny there's glare if your on the sunward side of the plane though, which is why I don't sit there. In fact with a glossy screen I'd be much more strongly affected by glare.)
Nov 30, 2016 | 10:14 am
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I am getting a big charge out all the assertions that "most people want the cabin dark". How could anyone know this? Have there been polls taken? Internet ballot? What???
I pity the first FA that tries to force me to sit in the dark for 7 hours. One asked me to lower my shade several years ago and I just stared at him until he departed without another word.
I pity the first FA that tries to force me to sit in the dark for 7 hours. One asked me to lower my shade several years ago and I just stared at him until he departed without another word.
Nov 30, 2016 | 1:36 pm
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But during the day, you could just as easily argue that it's bloody annoying to have to sit in the dark just because some selfish layabouts want to sleep during the daytime.
I'm happy they don't/can't enforce the closure of the shades.
And no, I can't look out of the window with a blanket over my head, hate that!
I'm happy they don't/can't enforce the closure of the shades.
And no, I can't look out of the window with a blanket over my head, hate that!
Nov 30, 2016 | 5:17 pm
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It's not illegal. If the captain wants to make an issue out of it, fine, but a FA does not have the authority for what you are suggesting. If you see upthread I once challenged a FA to guide me to the specific rule that stated shades had to be closed just because she said so. She walked away in a huff.
Threatening the FA (including reporting them)
Federal law prohibits passengers from interfering or physically assaulting (or threatening to physically assault) airline crewmembers.
This means injuring or intimidating a crewmember -- or attempting to do so -- can result in a felony conviction if the defendant has interfered with the performance of the crewmember's duties.
Flight crew interference incidents can result in up to 20 years' imprisonment and fines of up to $250,000, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
This means injuring or intimidating a crewmember -- or attempting to do so -- can result in a felony conviction if the defendant has interfered with the performance of the crewmember's duties.
Flight crew interference incidents can result in up to 20 years' imprisonment and fines of up to $250,000, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Acts of interference that don't quite rise to the level of criminal conduct can still warrant hefty fines by the FAA.
In fact, the FAA can propose up to $25,000 per violation for unruly passenger cases. One incident can result in multiple violations, according to the FAA's website.
A slew of disruptive behaviors can be considered interference, including:
Flashing a laser beam from the ground;
Physically blocking crewmembers' access in the aisle or galley;
Threatening a crewmember; and
Disobeying crewmembers' repeated requests.
Again, refusing to obey the FA's instructions is illegal. Pure and simple.
In fact, the FAA can propose up to $25,000 per violation for unruly passenger cases. One incident can result in multiple violations, according to the FAA's website.
A slew of disruptive behaviors can be considered interference, including:
Flashing a laser beam from the ground;
Physically blocking crewmembers' access in the aisle or galley;
Threatening a crewmember; and
Disobeying crewmembers' repeated requests.
Nov 30, 2016 | 5:18 pm
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I am getting a big charge out all the assertions that "most people want the cabin dark". How could anyone know this? Have there been polls taken? Internet ballot? What???
I pity the first FA that tries to force me to sit in the dark for 7 hours. One asked me to lower my shade several years ago and I just stared at him until he departed without another word.
I pity the first FA that tries to force me to sit in the dark for 7 hours. One asked me to lower my shade several years ago and I just stared at him until he departed without another word.
See above post. What you're saying is illegal. Simple as that.
Nov 30, 2016 | 10:01 pm
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http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_lif...attendant.html
Threatening the FA (including reporting them)
Threatening the FA (including reporting them)
Federal law prohibits passengers from interfering or physically assaulting (or threatening to physically assault) airline crewmembers.
This means injuring or intimidating a crewmember -- or attempting to do so -- can result in a felony conviction if the defendant has interfered with the performance of the crewmember's duties.
Flight crew interference incidents can result in up to 20 years' imprisonment and fines of up to $250,000, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
This means injuring or intimidating a crewmember -- or attempting to do so -- can result in a felony conviction if the defendant has interfered with the performance of the crewmember's duties.
Flight crew interference incidents can result in up to 20 years' imprisonment and fines of up to $250,000, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Acts of interference that don't quite rise to the level of criminal conduct can still warrant hefty fines by the FAA.
In fact, the FAA can propose up to $25,000 per violation for unruly passenger cases. One incident can result in multiple violations, according to the FAA's website.
A slew of disruptive behaviors can be considered interference, including:
Flashing a laser beam from the ground;
Physically blocking crewmembers' access in the aisle or galley;
Threatening a crewmember; and
Disobeying crewmembers' repeated requests.
Again, refusing to obey the FA's instructions is illegal. Pure and simple.In fact, the FAA can propose up to $25,000 per violation for unruly passenger cases. One incident can result in multiple violations, according to the FAA's website.
A slew of disruptive behaviors can be considered interference, including:
Flashing a laser beam from the ground;
Physically blocking crewmembers' access in the aisle or galley;
Threatening a crewmember; and
Disobeying crewmembers' repeated requests.
Nov 30, 2016 | 10:06 pm
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I find these posts interesting being on the other side as crew... Main cabin paxs don't get amenity kits with eye shades so they don't have that option.
Yes, I do ask the window seat pax to lower their shade after the service. If I wait too long, they fall asleep (and I can't reach the shade, even with a spatula!) and then that one raised window shade is a beacon of light on the entire cabin.
I recently had a pax question my request on a LHR-LAX flight. My response to him was feel free to look out the window, but kindly lower it before you fall asleep- which he did. Ironically, we later flew over Greenland and had some wonderful views. I walked thru the whole plane quietly informing window seat paxs (who were still awake) that if they wanted a great view of Greenland to look. Incidentally, because I did that, the majority of those paxs never re-lowered their shades and I just let it go but that plane was so bright the duration of the flight!
Regarding the window shades being open/ raised for take-off and landing- I was always told we have them open as it was one less thing to do in an evacuation with instant 'assessing' of conditions outside.
Thank you for this topic. I will try and be more understanding and try not to come across as demanding that paxs lower their shades. Cheers.
Yes, I do ask the window seat pax to lower their shade after the service. If I wait too long, they fall asleep (and I can't reach the shade, even with a spatula!) and then that one raised window shade is a beacon of light on the entire cabin.
I recently had a pax question my request on a LHR-LAX flight. My response to him was feel free to look out the window, but kindly lower it before you fall asleep- which he did. Ironically, we later flew over Greenland and had some wonderful views. I walked thru the whole plane quietly informing window seat paxs (who were still awake) that if they wanted a great view of Greenland to look. Incidentally, because I did that, the majority of those paxs never re-lowered their shades and I just let it go but that plane was so bright the duration of the flight!
Regarding the window shades being open/ raised for take-off and landing- I was always told we have them open as it was one less thing to do in an evacuation with instant 'assessing' of conditions outside.
Thank you for this topic. I will try and be more understanding and try not to come across as demanding that paxs lower their shades. Cheers.
Dec 1, 2016 | 8:30 am
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Moderator Note: Closing this down, it has run its course.