Not allowed to open window shade!?
#46


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People seem to have no issues ignoring FA instructions in other cases - and this very clearly isn't a safety issues hence they don't really have jurisdiction (they're only here for our safety after all :P). And I'm sure an FA who diverts because of blinds will have great future career prospects.
#48
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I have on more than one occasion raised the blind after a FA leaned across me to close it. I have also told them that I prefer it open to read or look out after being told that it is a requirement to have them closed. On that occasion I asked where this requirement was documented. That was the end of that discussion.
Those who want to sleep, can. I have no trouble sleeping on a plane with the shades up, and for those who can't there are eye shades. As for IFE, it's perfectly visible shades up (though if the sun is shining directly on the screen, that's a different story and I would lower my shade to avoid it). Unless you're in international F, long-haul commercial air travel is, at best, not particularly comfortable or pleasant. Small and relatively inexpensive personal adjustments, such as eyeshades, headphones and tablets, make it more bearable without demanding that others discomfort themselves.
#49


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I love the scenery and always try to sit on the "non-sunny" side of the plane. If everyone is sleeping over watching moves, I do the 7/8th down shade. Enough to peek and check things out, but being considerate to others. BTW - on the Dreamliners, even though they automatically dim, I thought you still had your own controls on the window?
#50


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I love the scenery and always try to sit on the "non-sunny" side of the plane. If everyone is sleeping over watching moves, I do the 7/8th down shade. Enough to peek and check things out, but being considerate to others. BTW - on the Dreamliners, even though they automatically dim, I thought you still had your own controls on the window?
#51


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Eek! Fortunately JL didn't do that on my recent flights. They'd all go dark (though somehow tinted slightly green on one side of the plane and blue on the other), but then I could bring mine up from time to time.
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#54




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Well, there will never be a solution that pleases a whole plane full of hundreds of people. My wife and I can't always even agree on how much to open the window blinds at home sometimes and that's just two of us!
#55


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And we also book A+B or J+K rows and swap seats one or more times in flight. The one of us not on the window who wants to see just hangs over the other. When my girlfriend is sleeping (with eyeshades) I can just open the window without a problem.
#56


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Keeping the cabin very dark is a real problem for some of us. I don't sleep on airplanes, nor do I watch the IFE. I read, listen to my music and do projects on my computer, just as I have forever. I get up often and walk around. This dark cabin/closed window shade situation is fairly new. People who want to sleep should bring eyeshades, the rest of us deserve to be able to move around the cabin as we wish. It's unhealthy to sit still for hours. I don't expect the cabin to be brightly lit, and I think a happy-medium can be reached so people can sleep, those watching IFE can be comfortable and the rest of us can move around safely.
#57




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They keep the brightest light out, but still allow people to look out. Seems like a great compromise for both groups.
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Keeping the cabin very dark is a real problem for some of us. I don't sleep on airplanes, nor do I watch the IFE. I read, listen to my music and do projects on my computer, just as I have forever. I get up often and walk around. This dark cabin/closed window shade situation is fairly new. People who want to sleep should bring eyeshades, the rest of us deserve to be able to move around the cabin as we wish. It's unhealthy to sit still for hours. I don't expect the cabin to be brightly lit, and I think a happy-medium can be reached so people can sleep, those watching IFE can be comfortable and the rest of us can move around safely.
There is some ambient light that allows you to see well enough to move around the cabin even with the lights off and the shades closed.
It's kind of like smoking. If you can find a way to have your shades open without negatively affecting the people around you, go ahead. If not, don't.
#59


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Many people can't sleep with eyeshades. Uncomfortable. "The rest of us" as you refer to are a tiny minority.
There is some ambient light that allows you to see well enough to move around the cabin even with the lights off and the shades closed.
It's kind of like smoking. If you can find a way to have your shades open without negatively affecting the people around you, go ahead. If not, don't.
There is some ambient light that allows you to see well enough to move around the cabin even with the lights off and the shades closed.
It's kind of like smoking. If you can find a way to have your shades open without negatively affecting the people around you, go ahead. If not, don't.
Not having natural light IME makes jetlag much worse if it's currently daytime, and you want to stay awake for jetlag management purposes.
#60




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That makes it much worse for me in most cases.

