Ever self-upgraded to E+?
#31




Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 810
Very simple. if I pay for the privilege of sitting in E+ (either by spending $$ directly, or by spending lots of $$ to get status and thus free E+), it's gonna annoy the hell out of me if someone comes up and just takes it without paying for it.
If you don't like the concept of E+ and E-: go fly southwest.
If you don't like the concept of E+ and E-: go fly southwest.
Let's take it one step further...does everyone here agree that putting your stuff into a vacant middle seat when you're in the window seat is theft? Because by most of the logic displayed here, yep, that's theft too. To me, the people in E+ who would be mad about this are playing their DYKWIA card more than anything.
#32




Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: Delta DM&1MM; HH Diamond; Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 872
Nope, didn't miss a thing. Someone takes something that is more desirable, has a price tag because of that, and someone wants that thing without paying for it. Not cool.
Now if the airline decides to give me back the money I paid for the privilege, I would be totally cool with it.
Now if the airline decides to give me back the money I paid for the privilege, I would be totally cool with it.
#34




Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New York City Baby!
Programs: DL Silver
Posts: 86
Oh boy the can of worms.
If you take anything from this post OP.
Some of us don't think you did anything to warrant being called a thief.
And some of us thinks you should be ashamed of yourself.
If you take anything from this post OP.
Some of us don't think you did anything to warrant being called a thief.
And some of us thinks you should be ashamed of yourself.
#35




Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 810
Nope, didn't miss a thing. Someone takes something that is more desirable, has a price tag because of that, and someone wants that thing without paying for it. Not cool.
Now if the airline decides to give me back the money I paid for the privilege, I would be totally cool with it.
Now if the airline decides to give me back the money I paid for the privilege, I would be totally cool with it.
Because I don't think you'd willfully sit in the middle seat if the window was open. Etc etc. You can get so pedantic about this, that it just isn't worth giving a second thought to.
#36




Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: Delta DM&1MM; HH Diamond; Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 872
I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it. Calling it stealing implies that the airline had a direct loss because of it. The flight commenced they weren't going to make money on that seat. I guess this is one of these grey areas that people aren't going to see eye to eye on.
#37




Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: Delta DM&1MM; HH Diamond; Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 872
What about the seat selection process, then? Many airlines charge extra for seats, even in economy, such as BA. If you paid less for a middle seat, then luckily the window or exit row was open, and you shuffled over, this is the same for you? Right now on LAX-LHR I'm given the option of paying $30 or somesuch to buy an exit row, and $60 to get a window, and even more for an exit row. Would you get upset if someone didn't pay for choosing a seat, then decided to move to the window in a mostly-empty row?
Because I don't think you'd willfully sit in the middle seat if the window was open. Etc etc. You can get so pedantic about this, that it just isn't worth giving a second thought to.
Because I don't think you'd willfully sit in the middle seat if the window was open. Etc etc. You can get so pedantic about this, that it just isn't worth giving a second thought to.
The problem is that the cocky/arrogant/entitled will rule the plane. Just because you are arrogant enough to claim something that is not yours, does not make it acceptable.
Now of course you could ask the FA, and definitely in the case of a window for a middle on your own row, there will probably be no objection.
#40




Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New York City Baby!
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Posts: 86
#41
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bangkok or San Francisco
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Just so I am clear about your position: You board a flight. The flight attendant points out that there are some nicer seats available but you may not move to them unless you pay. You're told to contact an FA to pay them so you can move. So instead you wait until their backs are turned and sneak up to the better seat.
"Absolutely nothing wrong" with that? Is that what you're saying?
"Absolutely nothing wrong" with that? Is that what you're saying?
#43




Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: Delta DM&1MM; HH Diamond; Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 872
#45
Moderator: Manufactured Spending



Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 6,707
Those of you who consider switching to E+ to be theft, please answer this question. If I am in a middle seat and the aisle seat next to me is open, can I switch into it? Or is that theft of service as well? (Assume that the airline charges more for aisle seats, which many do these days.)

