Business Class is GARBAGE!
Oct 8, 2014, 3:44 pm
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Oh really, what happened next? Did you fly through the air incredibly like a bird? . . . Wow, you're flying! It's amazing! Everybody on every plane should just constantly be going, oh my God, wow (yes) you're flying, you're, you're sitting in a chair in the sky (yes, yeah, yeah)
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.
Oct 8, 2014, 6:42 pm
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I agree. In December, 2003, 100 years to the minute after the Wright Brother’s first flight, I was at 35,000 feet in air conditioned comfort with a drink in my hand, halfway across the Atlantic in a Northwest jumbo jet. I was probably the only one on the jet thinking “My gosh how far we have come in 100 years.”
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.
Oct 8, 2014, 10:06 pm
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Oct 8, 2014, 10:42 pm
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Thanks to mileage and points, I have had the pleasure of flying in F on a few routes. ^
They were all fantastic experiences BUT they have spoiled all my future travels. In fact, I can't even stand the idea of flying J, let alone Y anymore.
How horrible is that? I fly in Y quite a lot and the occasional J was always an awesome treat, but I don't feel like that anymore!!!!
I think I need a Doctor…help..
Anyone else having the same experience?
They were all fantastic experiences BUT they have spoiled all my future travels. In fact, I can't even stand the idea of flying J, let alone Y anymore.
How horrible is that? I fly in Y quite a lot and the occasional J was always an awesome treat, but I don't feel like that anymore!!!!
I think I need a Doctor…help..
Anyone else having the same experience?
That's the way we humans are.
Oct 8, 2014, 11:24 pm
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When I was a lad, coach was fine. Started flying for work and in business class all the time, coach became unbearable. Gained some status with the airlines, got upgraded to first more often than not, now I'm annoyed if I'm stuck in business class.
That's the way we humans are.
That's the way we humans are.
Oct 9, 2014, 2:08 am
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I agree. In December, 2003, 100 years to the minute after the Wright Brother’s first flight, I was at 35,000 feet in air conditioned comfort with a drink in my hand, halfway across the Atlantic in a Northwest jumbo jet. I was probably the only one on the jet thinking “My gosh how far we have come in 100 years.”
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.
Oct 9, 2014, 3:30 am
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No.
1. It sounds thoroughly silly to claim you "can't stand" to fly a service nicer and more commodious than what 95 percent of international passengers seem to survive every day. [redacted]
2. People who claim today's business class services repulse them have no sense of history. Most are far more lavish than F class was a generation ago. Lie-flat beds did not exist until recently. British Airways 747 F cabins in the 1970s and '80s offered only big reclining armchairs and were considered most luxurious. They did not cripple people like David Frost who flew them every week. Had the complainers about today's J attempted to fly long distances a couple of decades ago or more, they presumably would have died en route. They would also no doubt have dismissed Concorde, whose one-size seats were essentially economy class-sized.
3. A true sophisticate is able to make him/herself comfortable and cheerful in any situation, and does not tip his gauche hand by complaining loudly about anything save the very bestest best.
International F is a fine adventure which I admit to have enjoyed, but I certainly hope it hasn't made me permanently ridiculous. When in economy I will not wilt, fulminate, scoff, mock, whine, grumble or whimper, remembering that, taking the whole world into account, I am comparatively extremely lucky to be on the plane at all. YMMV.
1. It sounds thoroughly silly to claim you "can't stand" to fly a service nicer and more commodious than what 95 percent of international passengers seem to survive every day. [redacted]
2. People who claim today's business class services repulse them have no sense of history. Most are far more lavish than F class was a generation ago. Lie-flat beds did not exist until recently. British Airways 747 F cabins in the 1970s and '80s offered only big reclining armchairs and were considered most luxurious. They did not cripple people like David Frost who flew them every week. Had the complainers about today's J attempted to fly long distances a couple of decades ago or more, they presumably would have died en route. They would also no doubt have dismissed Concorde, whose one-size seats were essentially economy class-sized.
3. A true sophisticate is able to make him/herself comfortable and cheerful in any situation, and does not tip his gauche hand by complaining loudly about anything save the very bestest best.
International F is a fine adventure which I admit to have enjoyed, but I certainly hope it hasn't made me permanently ridiculous. When in economy I will not wilt, fulminate, scoff, mock, whine, grumble or whimper, remembering that, taking the whole world into account, I am comparatively extremely lucky to be on the plane at all. YMMV.
Oct 9, 2014, 4:00 am
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2. People who claim today's business class services repulse them have no sense of history. Most k. Had the complainers about today's J attempted to fly long distances a couple of decades ago or more, they presumably would have died en route. They would also no doubt have dismissed Concorde, whose one-size seats were essentially economy class-sized.
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International F is .[/QUOTE]
I have pretended that I was flying aboard a Concorde instead of a Canadair RJ!
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International F is .[/QUOTE]
I have pretended that I was flying aboard a Concorde instead of a Canadair RJ!
Oct 9, 2014, 5:15 am
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Seems like a First World problem...."I cannot fly Business Class, it MUST be F I R S T."
While I get to spend some time in Business, but most time in Economy, when I travel, I'm just grateful I get the opportunity to do so.
While I get to spend some time in Business, but most time in Economy, when I travel, I'm just grateful I get the opportunity to do so.
Oct 9, 2014, 8:07 am
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But in many cases, J exits the plane first and therefore gets through immigration first. 
Whenever I'm searching for a long-haul award, I look for J first. That's my favorite award. Then F if I can't find J, and finally Y if I'm flying an alliance where I have at least a mid-tier status.
And contrary to most of FT, I like older-style barcalounger J seats better than the little lie-flat coffins.
My disclaimer here is that when I search for awards with my existing *A and OW miles, I tend to see a lot more UA, AA, US, AC, etc. availability than anything else. If I ran a query and saw a lot of CX, SQ, LH, LX, etc. F availability on my exact dates/routes, I have to admit I'd be rethinking my approach.
Whenever I'm searching for a long-haul award, I look for J first. That's my favorite award. Then F if I can't find J, and finally Y if I'm flying an alliance where I have at least a mid-tier status.
And contrary to most of FT, I like older-style barcalounger J seats better than the little lie-flat coffins.
My disclaimer here is that when I search for awards with my existing *A and OW miles, I tend to see a lot more UA, AA, US, AC, etc. availability than anything else. If I ran a query and saw a lot of CX, SQ, LH, LX, etc. F availability on my exact dates/routes, I have to admit I'd be rethinking my approach.
Oct 9, 2014, 8:48 am
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That makes at least two of us then -- my favorite J seat was the BA "cradle seat" from the 1990s, followed by the CX reclining seats from the 2000s. I don't sleep much inflight (I like to stay up and watch movies) and the whole flat-bed fetish is much overplayed in my book.
Oct 9, 2014, 9:23 am
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Oct 9, 2014, 10:08 am
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Yeah, I agree - my company bought me a business class ticket on SAS to CPH a few weeks ago and that curtain separating us from Economy was great! Other than the curtain I would have been hard pressed to spot the difference - they don't even block the middle seats.
Oct 9, 2014, 11:48 am
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Or at least make a bumper sticker out of it.
The most succinct bit of common sense I've seen in a long time. ^