the 'Free tickets for Nigerians' program?
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Thanks for mentioning the vending machine angle. I'll definitely avoid using cards in them in the future. It makes sense, I just hadn't considered it.
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I wonder how chip-and-pin technology is going meditate this?
Also, here in Asia every bank has TFA for online purchases when OTP (one time password) is send via SMS to a mobile phone to authenticate the purchase. Interesting to know how much this helped to reduce credit card fraud
Also, here in Asia every bank has TFA for online purchases when OTP (one time password) is send via SMS to a mobile phone to authenticate the purchase. Interesting to know how much this helped to reduce credit card fraud
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1) What else does the scammer know about my personal information? When I called UAL to see what the scammer would have had to tell them to authenticate & use my CC number, the rep knew nothing, perhaps naturally. She kept putting me on hold while talking to their fraud department - which evidently knew nothing about this yet, though it was by then a couple of days later, after the weekend when I'd discovered the scam. She promised me repeatedly that they'd be calling me to tell me the details I'd asked for. It's a couple of days later now, and...no call. Anyone know what validating info UAL or your average travel agent in Nigeria would need, in order to successfully charge someone's card? Surely they'd need the CVS...what else?
2) I've had this credit-card issuer call me to question MUCH less suspicious charges - for example, because I was charging meals while on a neighbor-island trip here in Hawaii...yet tickets being charged for USA junkets, under the names of two Nigerians, originating from Lagos doesn't sound any alarm bells?
Highly doubtful. If they did, then UAL knows who they are (assuming they didn't commit other crimes like using stolen passports) and can track them down.
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Same situation here. I had an AmEx card I hadn't used in months, which I then used at a hotel in Senegal to charge a ~$3,000 bill.
The next day....$24,000 of shopping in Paris...Hermes, Chanel, etc etc. AmEx never blinked at any of the charges...I often wonder how their fraud algorithms work
The next day....$24,000 of shopping in Paris...Hermes, Chanel, etc etc. AmEx never blinked at any of the charges...I often wonder how their fraud algorithms work
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Just today on singaporeair.com a relatively low transaction (about $80) triggered me having to call visa.
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Same situation here. I had an AmEx card I hadn't used in months, which I then used at a hotel in Senegal to charge a ~$3,000 bill.
The next day....$24,000 of shopping in Paris...Hermes, Chanel, etc etc. AmEx never blinked at any of the charges...I often wonder how their fraud algorithms work
The next day....$24,000 of shopping in Paris...Hermes, Chanel, etc etc. AmEx never blinked at any of the charges...I often wonder how their fraud algorithms work
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If my card was used for a fraudulent purchase of plane tickets from Dublin to Boston in the names of Seamus O'Riordan and Siobhan Barry, I would reasonably conclude that Irish people traveled on my dime, I don't think that would be an unfair racist assumption.
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I didn't realise that Nigeria had exclusive use of certain names. 
Making a leap from circumstancial evidence to a conclusion on the basis of ethnicity is exactly what racism and stereotyping is about. The fact that it is so pervasive on Flyertalk that it is even defended by users like yourself is a sad commentary on the way this community has deteriorated over the years.

Making a leap from circumstancial evidence to a conclusion on the basis of ethnicity is exactly what racism and stereotyping is about. The fact that it is so pervasive on Flyertalk that it is even defended by users like yourself is a sad commentary on the way this community has deteriorated over the years.
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I've never had my cards ripped off, and I only know one person who has. It seems a lot more common in the US (although that could be a false perception from reading threads like this where lots of people discuss how they were).
I think British retailers before Chip and Pin were much more strict about checking signatures on strips as well though. I would relatively frequently ask for secondary ID if I didn't think the signature was a close enough match.
Of course, having said that... next week, the scammers will have got my card. There's nothing like tempting fate
I think British retailers before Chip and Pin were much more strict about checking signatures on strips as well though. I would relatively frequently ask for secondary ID if I didn't think the signature was a close enough match.
Of course, having said that... next week, the scammers will have got my card. There's nothing like tempting fate
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Making a leap from circumstantial evidence to a conclusion on the basis of ethnicity
I think British retailers before Chip and Pin were much more strict about checking signatures on strips as well though.
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Reinforcing that conclusion might well be based on the events of the last few weeks during which the Nigerian government and military have displayed an almost unimaginable level of ineptitude and an inability to act or react to the current situation there. Prejudice is often the product of perception.

