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Old May 14, 2014 | 3:28 pm
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Thanks for mentioning the vending machine angle. I'll definitely avoid using cards in them in the future. It makes sense, I just hadn't considered it.
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Old May 14, 2014 | 10:11 pm
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I wonder how chip-and-pin technology is going meditate this?

Also, here in Asia every bank has TFA for online purchases when OTP (one time password) is send via SMS to a mobile phone to authenticate the purchase. Interesting to know how much this helped to reduce credit card fraud
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Old May 14, 2014 | 10:32 pm
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Would requiring to see the credit card used for the purchase at checkin reduce this kind of fraud for airlines?
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Old May 15, 2014 | 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by 808Pants
1) What else does the scammer know about my personal information? When I called UAL to see what the scammer would have had to tell them to authenticate & use my CC number, the rep knew nothing, perhaps naturally. She kept putting me on hold while talking to their fraud department - which evidently knew nothing about this yet, though it was by then a couple of days later, after the weekend when I'd discovered the scam. She promised me repeatedly that they'd be calling me to tell me the details I'd asked for. It's a couple of days later now, and...no call. Anyone know what validating info UAL or your average travel agent in Nigeria would need, in order to successfully charge someone's card? Surely they'd need the CVS...what else?
Go to united.com and see what info is needed to book a flight for the situation where cardholder is not traveling. That is exactly what they had. Any more would be unnecessary, any less would not work.

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2) I've had this credit-card issuer call me to question MUCH less suspicious charges - for example, because I was charging meals while on a neighbor-island trip here in Hawaii...yet tickets being charged for USA junkets, under the names of two Nigerians, originating from Lagos doesn't sound any alarm bells?
Airline purchases (other than very close-in purchases) generally don't ring any bells because they are not frequently used by fraudsters. Fraudsters like to get their merchandise and run, they don't want to use stolen cards to pay for something that they are going to receive in the future and have to show ID to use. It's too easy to get caught when you have to show your passport to claim your stolen items.

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3) So did my credit-card issuer just pull the plug on the payment to UAL, and perhaps leave them holding the bag?
Most likely you caught this before the trip was scheduled. In the event that they took the trip already, then either UAL, their merchant processor, or the issuer will bear the loss according to their agreement.

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4) Did the twits actually get to travel on someone else's dime?
Highly doubtful. If they did, then UAL knows who they are (assuming they didn't commit other crimes like using stolen passports) and can track them down.

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Old May 15, 2014 | 12:35 am
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I would also turn on 'card not present' transaction alerts. Very helpful for spotting such transactions.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 12:48 am
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I would also turn on 'card not present' transaction alerts. Very helpful for spotting such transactions.
Chase does not have this.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by Lovethecabin
Oddly enough, Amex wasn't interested in investigating that.
Same situation here. I had an AmEx card I hadn't used in months, which I then used at a hotel in Senegal to charge a ~$3,000 bill.

The next day....$24,000 of shopping in Paris...Hermes, Chanel, etc etc. AmEx never blinked at any of the charges...I often wonder how their fraud algorithms work
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Old May 15, 2014 | 11:36 am
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Originally Posted by cbn42
Go to united.com and see what info is needed to book a flight for the situation where cardholder is not traveling. That is exactly what they had. Any more would be unnecessary, any less would not work.
United does subscribe to "verified by visa," however, I've never once had it result in a call.

Just today on singaporeair.com a relatively low transaction (about $80) triggered me having to call visa.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 5:52 pm
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Originally Posted by ironmanjt
Same situation here. I had an AmEx card I hadn't used in months, which I then used at a hotel in Senegal to charge a ~$3,000 bill.

The next day....$24,000 of shopping in Paris...Hermes, Chanel, etc etc. AmEx never blinked at any of the charges...I often wonder how their fraud algorithms work
We had a Gymboree affinity card that we used exclusively at the Gymboree that's two miles from our house for a couple hundred bucks. Then we get a bill for $15K of luxury goods at two Paris boutiques and US Bank doesn't blink an eye. Like, seriously? You don't need a very complex algorithm to figure out that one of these things is not like the other.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 6:06 pm
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Originally Posted by B747-437B
Why the assumption that the travelers were Nigerian?

Comments like yours simply serve to reinforce the negative stereotype against Nigeria and Nigerians.
My guess is that the OP saw the charge, called United and asked what it was about, and United told him the exacting routing from LOS-IAD-LGA and the names of the passengers for whom he had supposedly bought the tickets. The names were Nigerian. I don't think he's assuming anything.

If my card was used for a fraudulent purchase of plane tickets from Dublin to Boston in the names of Seamus O'Riordan and Siobhan Barry, I would reasonably conclude that Irish people traveled on my dime, I don't think that would be an unfair racist assumption.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 9:48 pm
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Chase does not have this.
They do. Login to your online account, go to 'account alerts', check the box that says 'Notify Me When...An online, phone or mail charge is authorized on my credit card'.
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Old May 16, 2014 | 12:44 am
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Originally Posted by jphripjah
The names were Nigerian. I don't think he's assuming anything.
I didn't realise that Nigeria had exclusive use of certain names.

Making a leap from circumstancial evidence to a conclusion on the basis of ethnicity is exactly what racism and stereotyping is about. The fact that it is so pervasive on Flyertalk that it is even defended by users like yourself is a sad commentary on the way this community has deteriorated over the years.
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Old May 16, 2014 | 12:57 am
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Originally Posted by invisible
I wonder how chip-and-pin technology is going meditate this?
I've never had my cards ripped off, and I only know one person who has. It seems a lot more common in the US (although that could be a false perception from reading threads like this where lots of people discuss how they were).

I think British retailers before Chip and Pin were much more strict about checking signatures on strips as well though. I would relatively frequently ask for secondary ID if I didn't think the signature was a close enough match.

Of course, having said that... next week, the scammers will have got my card. There's nothing like tempting fate
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Old May 16, 2014 | 2:13 am
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Making a leap from circumstantial evidence to a conclusion on the basis of ethnicity
Nigerian's not an ethnicity, it's a nationality. Having said that, I work with enough Nigerians to know my Yoruba from my Igbo and can generally tell by someone's name where they're from, just as people do with , say, Orkney or Basque names. "Cultural awareness" to some, "racism" to others.
I think British retailers before Chip and Pin were much more strict about checking signatures on strips as well though.
Only up to certain amounts. When I got my card stolen about 20 years ago, I found out from the police that the bar was set at 40 before retailers asked for ID and made a phone check. Thieves knew that too.
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Old May 16, 2014 | 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by B747-437B
Why the assumption that the travelers were Nigerian?

Comments like yours simply serve to reinforce the negative stereotype against Nigeria and Nigerians.
I suspect that after a decade or more of "Nigerian Scam" emails, the majority of which earlier seemed to originate in Nigeria and involve persons with apparently Nigerian names and involved in Nigerian government or businesses, the OP and most other FTers would be likely to blame fraudulently ticket purchasers/travelers from Lagos to IAH (or anywhere else) on Nigerians.

Reinforcing that conclusion might well be based on the events of the last few weeks during which the Nigerian government and military have displayed an almost unimaginable level of ineptitude and an inability to act or react to the current situation there. Prejudice is often the product of perception.
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