The Photo ID craze: We need reciprocity!
Mar 30, 2014, 1:34 am
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Just because I (you) don't know the reasons behind a requirement doesn't mean that there are no valid reasons.
In some cases there may be a reason for some, but not all, transactions to require an ID check. In order to not require the employee know all the niceties of the rules, it may be easier to request it for all transactions.
In some cases there may be a reason for some, but not all, transactions to require an ID check. In order to not require the employee know all the niceties of the rules, it may be easier to request it for all transactions.
Mar 30, 2014, 2:15 am
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"When should you ask a cardholder for an official government ID? Although Visa rules do not preclude merchants from asking for cardholder ID except in the specific circumstances discussed in this guide, merchants cannot make an ID a condition of acceptance. Therefore, merchants cannot as part of their regular card acceptance procedures refuse to complete a purchase transaction because a cardholder refuses to provide ID." -Page 34
Source (pdf): http://usa.visa.com/download/merchan...-merchants.pdfThe only time a merchant can require ID is if the card is unsigned. Of course, age-restricted items require ID, regardless of the payment type.
Mar 30, 2014, 3:58 am
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In fact, if flying, say GLA-LHR, I can pass through security without showing ID (it's never required at this stage at UK airports); buy lots of things at the airport with my credit card without showing ID (it's never required for routine transactions in the UK); board the plane without showing ID (if the airline demands it, it is for commercial reasons, as described upthread, BA does not); land in LHR, check-in to my hotel without showing ID (never required in the UK); go out for a drink without showing my ID (bar staff are allowed to have a bit of common sense).
Actually genuinely struggling to think of an occasion in day to day life here when I need to show ID...
Mar 30, 2014, 4:29 am
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BA, when flying domestic and without hold luggage.
In fact, if flying, say GLA-LHR, I can pass through security without showing ID (it's never required at this stage at UK airports); buy lots of things at the airport with my credit card without showing ID (it's never required for routine transactions in the UK); board the plane without showing ID (if the airline demands it, it is for commercial reasons, as described upthread, BA does not); land in LHR, check-in to my hotel without showing ID (never required in the UK); go out for a drink without showing my ID (bar staff are allowed to have a bit of common sense).
Actually genuinely struggling to think of an occasion in day to day life here when I need to show ID...
In fact, if flying, say GLA-LHR, I can pass through security without showing ID (it's never required at this stage at UK airports); buy lots of things at the airport with my credit card without showing ID (it's never required for routine transactions in the UK); board the plane without showing ID (if the airline demands it, it is for commercial reasons, as described upthread, BA does not); land in LHR, check-in to my hotel without showing ID (never required in the UK); go out for a drink without showing my ID (bar staff are allowed to have a bit of common sense).
Actually genuinely struggling to think of an occasion in day to day life here when I need to show ID...
Mar 30, 2014, 5:15 am
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Mar 30, 2014, 5:20 am
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Mar 30, 2014, 6:30 am
#22
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I'd like to do that in US bars where they ask middle-aged folk like me & my wife for ID, but it's a long walk to Mexico.
Mar 30, 2014, 6:50 am
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BA, when flying domestic and without hold luggage.
In fact, if flying, say GLA-LHR, I can pass through security without showing ID (it's never required at this stage at UK airports); buy lots of things at the airport with my credit card without showing ID (it's never required for routine transactions in the UK); board the plane without showing ID (if the airline demands it, it is for commercial reasons, as described upthread, BA does not); land in LHR, check-in to my hotel without showing ID (never required in the UK); go out for a drink without showing my ID (bar staff are allowed to have a bit of common sense).
Actually genuinely struggling to think of an occasion in day to day life here when I need to show ID...
In fact, if flying, say GLA-LHR, I can pass through security without showing ID (it's never required at this stage at UK airports); buy lots of things at the airport with my credit card without showing ID (it's never required for routine transactions in the UK); board the plane without showing ID (if the airline demands it, it is for commercial reasons, as described upthread, BA does not); land in LHR, check-in to my hotel without showing ID (never required in the UK); go out for a drink without showing my ID (bar staff are allowed to have a bit of common sense).
Actually genuinely struggling to think of an occasion in day to day life here when I need to show ID...
Mar 30, 2014, 7:40 am
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Although not mentioned (unless I missed it) retailers might ask for ID if the card isn't signed, is signed but the signature is worn to the point of not recognizing it, or the signatures don't match.
Mar 30, 2014, 7:57 am
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The part about having to show ID in Argentina to pay cash for purchases is complete misinformation. Cash transactions over a certain amount (1500 ARS I believe) will prompt a cashier to ask for a CUIL/CUIT which is a taxpayer ID number. A bottle of water costs between 10-20 ARS in a pharmacy.
I've stayed in hundreds of hotels in Europe and checked in without photo ID.
(Except the UK, but that's not Europe.)
Mar 30, 2014, 8:22 am
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Perhaps somewhat OT but analogous in terms of reciprocity is the tendering of large ($50, $100) Federal Reserve notes in the US.
In many cases when you pay with a large note the employee, in order to avoid acceptance of counterfeit currency, will hold it up to a light in order to see certain features, such as embedded fibers. When receiving your change, have you considered reciprocating? Namely, holding up to a light the currency you received as change for your purchase, in order to protect yourself.
In many cases when you pay with a large note the employee, in order to avoid acceptance of counterfeit currency, will hold it up to a light in order to see certain features, such as embedded fibers. When receiving your change, have you considered reciprocating? Namely, holding up to a light the currency you received as change for your purchase, in order to protect yourself.
Mar 30, 2014, 8:55 am
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In Oootah where I live, they are pretty card much everyone regardless of age.
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Mar 30, 2014, 9:19 am
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I have stayed at three European hotels in two EU countries just this past week alone and no photo ID has been requested of me. I have many dozens of hotel nights each year in Europe, for many years, and a huge proportion of my stays don't legally require any hotel registration of my stay and ID details with the local or national LEOs/immigration/customs.
Perhaps somewhat OT but analogous in terms of reciprocity is the tendering of large ($50, $100) Federal Reserve notes in the US.
In many cases when you pay with a large note the employee, in order to avoid acceptance of counterfeit currency, will hold it up to a light in order to see certain features, such as embedded fibers. When receiving your change, have you considered reciprocating? Namely, holding up to a light the currency you received as change for your purchase, in order to protect yourself.
In many cases when you pay with a large note the employee, in order to avoid acceptance of counterfeit currency, will hold it up to a light in order to see certain features, such as embedded fibers. When receiving your change, have you considered reciprocating? Namely, holding up to a light the currency you received as change for your purchase, in order to protect yourself.
Last edited by GUWonder; Mar 30, 2014 at 9:27 am
Mar 30, 2014, 10:10 am
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"All I ask is for a little common sense and logic. Is that too much?"
LOL, have you never heard the saying, 'If common sense were indeed common, that is a majority had it, then the term common sense would not need to exist.'
As for logic, that's similar, there are a lot of people who are not logical in their thinking at all. Don't forget, the average IQ is 100.
LOL, have you never heard the saying, 'If common sense were indeed common, that is a majority had it, then the term common sense would not need to exist.'
As for logic, that's similar, there are a lot of people who are not logical in their thinking at all. Don't forget, the average IQ is 100.