different passport to avoid visa fees?
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There are many who apply and pay for a second passport that they qualify for. Sad to say but in international travels it is not always the best idea to use the lowest cost of entry visa passport.
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>>To obtain an Israeli passport solely by reason of being >>Jewish, one has to immigrate to Israel and spend 365 >>cumulative days there before applying.
No parents or relatives there, only 7-day visit in mid '90s "under my belt", so I'm out of it? Loosens with age? Am mature adult, not yet senior...
note: only seeking legal strategies
No parents or relatives there, only 7-day visit in mid '90s "under my belt", so I'm out of it? Loosens with age? Am mature adult, not yet senior...
note: only seeking legal strategies
Besides, terrorists aren't exactly too fond of people from western countries. US, Canada, UK, France, Germany, it doesn't matter which passport you have. You'd be screwed either way if kidnapped by terrorists - which begs the question, where do you plan on traveling to that you're actually worried about it? Unless you're planning on going camping in the mountains of Afghanistan, you have a better chance of dying in a car crash on the way to the airport.
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I find thought that Canada (or any other country) would "offer US citizens a passport so the US citizen's risk profile is reduced" to be incredibly juvenile, or incredibly arrogant.
Rant over.
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Not to put this in P/R territory but why would/should any other country care if an individual becomes a terrorist target by the virtue of being a "US-born-always-lived-in-US-citizen", and care to the extent that it'd offer them their Passport (normally only issued to its citizens)?
I find thought that Canada (or any other country) would "offer US citizens a passport so the US citizen's risk profile is reduced" to be incredibly juvenile, or incredibly arrogant.
Rant over.
I find thought that Canada (or any other country) would "offer US citizens a passport so the US citizen's risk profile is reduced" to be incredibly juvenile, or incredibly arrogant.
Rant over.
Sometimes I think that people forget that possession of a passport is (in almost all cases) secondary to being a citizen of the issuing country. Having a passport does not make one a citizen, it is being a citizen that entitles one to a passport. (Similarly, not having a passport does not mean one is not a citizen –.there are plenty of US citizens, for example, who do not have a US passport, but that doesn't make them any less US citizens than if they did.)
It's also worth pointing out that the citizens of a number of other countries are also potential terrorist targets if US citizens are: notably the UK, Israel but also several other European countries and Australia – the US doesn't have a monopoly on this...
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Many countries can issue and have issued passports to non-citizens.
The idea of picking up an additional passport -- that too an Israeli one -- to try to minimize the chances of being picked on overseas in the event of a terrorist attack seems to be a sort of worry about nothing when there are ordinarily bigger risks than that.
The idea of picking up an additional passport -- that too an Israeli one -- to try to minimize the chances of being picked on overseas in the event of a terrorist attack seems to be a sort of worry about nothing when there are ordinarily bigger risks than that.
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I am puzzled. Since a passport is supposed to be a legal document issued by a government to identify one's nationality/ID, what and why makes you think and/or believe any foreign government would give out their passports like candies to an American in similar situations like you, legally? You must have known something that I don't.
I am puzzled. Since a passport is supposed to be a legal document issued by a government to identify one's nationality/ID, what and why makes you think and/or believe any foreign government would give out their passports like candies to an American in similar situations like you, legally? You must have known something that I don't.

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I am puzzled. Since a passport is supposed to be a legal document issued by a government to identify one's nationality/ID, what and why makes you think and/or believe any foreign government would give out their passports like candies to an American in similar situations like you, legally? You must have known something that I don't.
I am puzzled. Since a passport is supposed to be a legal document issued by a government to identify one's nationality/ID, what and why makes you think and/or believe any foreign government would give out their passports like candies to an American in similar situations like you, legally? You must have known something that I don't.

So - the idea is not as absurd as you think.
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Also, is it a myth that US citizens with no connection to Canada can get Canada passport to lower chance of being singled out in hostage situations? Any strategies appreciated. But arriving at each city's international airport is a must. (planning for Jan 2012)
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Dumbing this down for some:
(thanks for "on topic" responses from others)
1. go back to OP
2. this thread is ONLY about saving $$
3. it is NOT about terrorists, terrorism, politics
4. notice my pseudo? have been to 30+ countries, ~10 in last 20 mos.;
none charged over ~$20 for visa
5. A+B+C visas in S.A. currently = ~$420 total for US citizens
6. if YOU wanted to visit three major cities for only ~4 days
each & foresaw NO returns in next 5-10 years, wouldn't
YOU look for LEGAL ways to reduce $420?
To those staying on topic:
>>The ones using the EU passports used US passports to leave USA
Does US citizen born in US, parents born in US, no property outside of US, qualify for EU passport?
Found legal ways around some of $420 here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_re...tates_citizens
(enter Buenes Aires from Sao Paulo flight to local airport, fly out via EZE...?)
(enter Chile via Easter Island -- may not make sense $$-wise)
(why is Brazil missing from wiki link S.A. chart?)
Am using 100,100 Avios points to circle S.A. so limited to certain flight segments, but flexible on order of stops.
Do not further muddy this thread, think of others needing it in future...
(thanks for "on topic" responses from others)
1. go back to OP
2. this thread is ONLY about saving $$
3. it is NOT about terrorists, terrorism, politics
4. notice my pseudo? have been to 30+ countries, ~10 in last 20 mos.;
none charged over ~$20 for visa
5. A+B+C visas in S.A. currently = ~$420 total for US citizens
6. if YOU wanted to visit three major cities for only ~4 days
each & foresaw NO returns in next 5-10 years, wouldn't
YOU look for LEGAL ways to reduce $420?
To those staying on topic:
>>The ones using the EU passports used US passports to leave USA
Does US citizen born in US, parents born in US, no property outside of US, qualify for EU passport?
Found legal ways around some of $420 here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_re...tates_citizens
(enter Buenes Aires from Sao Paulo flight to local airport, fly out via EZE...?)
(enter Chile via Easter Island -- may not make sense $$-wise)
(why is Brazil missing from wiki link S.A. chart?)
Am using 100,100 Avios points to circle S.A. so limited to certain flight segments, but flexible on order of stops.
Do not further muddy this thread, think of others needing it in future...
Last edited by TravelPhotographer; Dec 6, 2011 at 5:05 pm
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I suggest performing a Google search using the name(s) of the country(ies), "citizenship" and "descent" as the key words.
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So many fallacies and gaps of logic in theis thread.
Pergerine, your assertion above is false, at least in the case of Brazil. Brazil many many years ago started requiring visas of US citizens becuase Brazilians needed them for the US, the charge at the time for Brazilians getting US visas was ZERO. Then the BRazilians started charging $20, so the US RECIPROCATED the fee. At that time however, way back then US citizens only got 1 year visas generally while Brazilians could get anything from a day to LIFETIME. Years later the Brazilians raised it to $40 and the US reciprocated, by that time US citizens got only a year, while Brazilians got anywhere up to 10 years and the median was FIVE, two of the next three price increases were then instigated by the US, and one by the Brazilians, along the way the validity for US citizens went up to 5 years, while for Brazilians it is up to ten years. So your facts about the reciprocity are in fact wrong and use the same sophistry maintained by Brazilian consulate officials (and Turkish ones for that matter)
Now back to the premise of the thread. OP, you do know that even if you qualified, getting an Israeli passport would cost you money, right? Also possibly years in tthe armed services, so that would be a pretty poor move.
Pergerine, your assertion above is false, at least in the case of Brazil. Brazil many many years ago started requiring visas of US citizens becuase Brazilians needed them for the US, the charge at the time for Brazilians getting US visas was ZERO. Then the BRazilians started charging $20, so the US RECIPROCATED the fee. At that time however, way back then US citizens only got 1 year visas generally while Brazilians could get anything from a day to LIFETIME. Years later the Brazilians raised it to $40 and the US reciprocated, by that time US citizens got only a year, while Brazilians got anywhere up to 10 years and the median was FIVE, two of the next three price increases were then instigated by the US, and one by the Brazilians, along the way the validity for US citizens went up to 5 years, while for Brazilians it is up to ten years. So your facts about the reciprocity are in fact wrong and use the same sophistry maintained by Brazilian consulate officials (and Turkish ones for that matter)
Now back to the premise of the thread. OP, you do know that even if you qualified, getting an Israeli passport would cost you money, right? Also possibly years in tthe armed services, so that would be a pretty poor move.


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