Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Jun 15, 2021, 2:17 pm
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15- let’s try Jacksonville/JAX as another Florida destination for EA, and Akron/CAK as another candidate for a tag
17- we haven’t yet mentioned Newark/EWR for the red-tailed DC-10-40
17- we haven’t yet mentioned Newark/EWR for the red-tailed DC-10-40
Jun 15, 2021, 2:23 pm
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24. You continue to console your friend over the phone, and then she blurts out "I have a beautiful room overlooking Waikiki Beach reserved for the next several days. Would you like to come out to Hawaii and share my room with me?". Although there are many connecting flights between DTW and HNL, there is just one through flight. You don't want a flight that has a "lei over", so you book a seat on the through flight. The flight makes four intermediate stops on Saturday, and three stops every other day of the week. What's the flight's airline, equipment, and routing?
Jun 15, 2021, 8:49 pm
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My last flight about a NW 747 was decades later. 2006, NRT-LAX. Unfortunately, that was my most recent 747 flight. I was aboard a parked United 747-400 during Family Day at SFO a few years later.
Jun 15, 2021, 8:50 pm
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24. This sounds very much like a Northwest Orient service. If so, the equipment was probably a DC-10 with the three stop daily X6 routing being Detroit - Chicago O'Hare - Seattle/Tacoma - Portland - Honolulu. And I'll guess on Saturdays only the fourth stop made by the NW DC-10 was Hilo.
This question proves that pre-deregulation airline schedules changed more than people realized. In the 1960s and 1970s, it wasn't uncommon for UA to have through flights from DTW to HNL, via ORD and either SFO or LAX, with DC-8s, 747s, and DC-10s. However, although UA did have DC-10 and DC-8 flights from DTW to LAX and SFO via ORD in July, 1977, none of them continued on to HNL.
In the early 1970s, UA briefly flew HNL-DTW nonstop with a DC-8-62; the flight continued to either PHL or BAL. When AA flew MEL-SYD-NAN-HNL-ORD in the early 1970s with 707s, the flight continued to DTW, and when AA resumed HNL-ORD in 1985 with DC-10-30s, the DTW tag was resumed, too.
Jun 16, 2021, 2:51 am
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Hey Joe - I'm sure I speak for many here when I say we appreciate the detail in your responses. Most enjoyable and enlightening. Thanks!
Jun 16, 2021, 5:38 am
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And BTW, my last flight on board a 747 (actually a 744) was with British Airways from DFW to LHR in First several years ago.
It was a very enjoyable flight and I'm glad we had the chance to do so as we will obviously not have the opportunity to fly with BA specifically on the 747 again.
Last edited by jlemon; Jun 16, 2021 at 5:45 am Reason: last flight on board a 747
Jun 16, 2021, 6:51 am
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24. Let's go with a NW 747 instead of a DC-10.
And BTW, my last flight on board a 747 (actually a 744) was with British Airways from DFW to LHR in First several years ago.
It was a very enjoyable flight and I'm glad we had the chance to do so as we will obviously not have the opportunity to fly with BA specifically on the 747 again.
And BTW, my last flight on board a 747 (actually a 744) was with British Airways from DFW to LHR in First several years ago.
It was a very enjoyable flight and I'm glad we had the chance to do so as we will obviously not have the opportunity to fly with BA specifically on the 747 again.
Here is the schedule:
NW 95 Leave DTW 9:00, arrive ORD 9:00. Leave ORD 10:00, arrive SEA 11:59. Leave SEA 13:15, arrive PDX 13:55. Leave PDX 14:50, arrive HNL 17: 15.
On Saturday, NW 95 left PDX 14:50, arrived ITO 17:10, left ITO 17:55, arrived HNL 18:45.
Jun 16, 2021, 7:07 am
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Here is NW's July, 1977 DC-10 schedule at DTW:
0725: NW 415 leaves for ORD and MSP.
0917: NW 515 arrives from EWR and PHL. It departs at 1000 for MSP
0959: NW 514 arrives from MSP. It departs at 1040 for PHL
1022: NW 47 arrives from EWR. It departs at 11:05 for ORD, PDX, SEA, and ANC
1210: NW 71 arrives from EWR. It departs at 1255 for ORD, BIL, GTF, GEG, and SEA
1309: NW 218 arrives from MSP and MKE. It departs at 1350 for EWR
1555: NW 46 arrives from ANC, SEA, PDX, and ORD. It departs at 1650 for EWR
1617: NW 51 arrives from PHL. It departs at 1700 for MSP, SEA, and PDX.
1858: NW 72 arrives from SEA, GEG, GTF, BIL, and ORD. It departs at 19:40 for EWR
20:42: NW 219 arrives from EWR, and remains overnight. It departs the next morning at 0725 for ORD and MSP.
0725: NW 415 leaves for ORD and MSP.
0917: NW 515 arrives from EWR and PHL. It departs at 1000 for MSP
0959: NW 514 arrives from MSP. It departs at 1040 for PHL
1022: NW 47 arrives from EWR. It departs at 11:05 for ORD, PDX, SEA, and ANC
1210: NW 71 arrives from EWR. It departs at 1255 for ORD, BIL, GTF, GEG, and SEA
1309: NW 218 arrives from MSP and MKE. It departs at 1350 for EWR
1555: NW 46 arrives from ANC, SEA, PDX, and ORD. It departs at 1650 for EWR
1617: NW 51 arrives from PHL. It departs at 1700 for MSP, SEA, and PDX.
1858: NW 72 arrives from SEA, GEG, GTF, BIL, and ORD. It departs at 19:40 for EWR
20:42: NW 219 arrives from EWR, and remains overnight. It departs the next morning at 0725 for ORD and MSP.
Jun 16, 2021, 10:08 am
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23. When you were in college at Indiana University, you met the woman of your dreams, who grew up near Cleveland. Although you asked her out several times, she always said "I like you as a friend". After college, you returned to Detroit. Late one Saturday night, you're awakened by the phone ringing. Your dream girl is calling you from HNL; she and her boyfriend, who is also from Cleveland, have just had a relationship ending argument while on vacation in Hawaii, and he is on his way back to the mainland. Before you can ask her, she volunteers that her now-ex is on the only direct flight between HNL and CLE. This flight operates only on Saturday, makes two stops, with a change of gauge at the first stop. How is the broken hearted guy returning to the mainland?
Jun 16, 2021, 10:30 am
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SFO is correct. Although much of the auto parts going from Michigan to other parts of the country moved out of YIP, SFO was out of range of the DC-6s and Convair props that were based there, so AA flew a DC-10, a 707, and a 707F there every day, to support the GM factory in Fremont, which is now a Tesla factory, and the Ford factory in Milpitas, which is now a shopping mall.
Jun 16, 2021, 10:44 am
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Here is AA's DC-10 schedule at DTW in July, 1977
AA 218 arrives from LAX and ORD at 0656, and leaves as AA 107 at 0800 for ORD, PHX, and SFO.
AA 67 arrives from SYR at 0821, and leaves for LAX at 0900
AA 23 leaves for SFO at 0900
AA 68 arrives from SAN and LAX at 1601, and leaves for ORD and LAX as AA 185 at 1655
AA 630 arrives from PHX and ORD at 1627, and leaves for LAX and SAN as AA 41 at 1730
AA 96 arrives from LAX at 1916, and leaves for SYR at 2000
AA 604 arrives from SFO at 2000, and leaves for ORD, LAX, and SAN as AA 435 at 2100
AA 31 arrives from JFK at 2145, and remains overnight.
AA 218 arrives from LAX and ORD at 0656, and leaves as AA 107 at 0800 for ORD, PHX, and SFO.
AA 67 arrives from SYR at 0821, and leaves for LAX at 0900
AA 23 leaves for SFO at 0900
AA 68 arrives from SAN and LAX at 1601, and leaves for ORD and LAX as AA 185 at 1655
AA 630 arrives from PHX and ORD at 1627, and leaves for LAX and SAN as AA 41 at 1730
AA 96 arrives from LAX at 1916, and leaves for SYR at 2000
AA 604 arrives from SFO at 2000, and leaves for ORD, LAX, and SAN as AA 435 at 2100
AA 31 arrives from JFK at 2145, and remains overnight.
Jun 16, 2021, 11:02 am
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23- well, the choices are United or Northwest … if I had to speculate, the flight out of HNL was a daily wide-body that actually continued to the second stop; the change of gauge and the continuation to CLE were both unique to the Saturday operation … UA 747 to SFO, D8S to ORD and CLE