Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Apr 20, 2021, 10:50 pm
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81. (1976)Business requires you to fly to Boston to inspect and possibly purchase equipment for a new hospital being built in Lagos, Nigeria. Unfortunately, there are no nonstops between Lagos and Boston and the direct flight to New York is unavailable. Thankfully, you’ve found seats aboard a quartet of nonstop flights that will allow you to mix business with pleasure. First, you’ll fly from Lagos up to Beirut where you’ll meet for dinner with a representative of the company that will be providing the hospital’s accounting system. The following day you’ll continue on to Athens where you’ll meet an old friend and business associate for dinner. Then on Saturday you’ll get an early start on a nonstop flight to London where, following a three hour and forty five minute layover you’ll continue on to Boston. Each flight is operated by a different airline but all flights utilize the same type of popular aircraft. So then, I’ve identified your routing. All you have to do is match up airlines to the routes and determine the aircraft type common to all four flights. Easy Peasy. G’wan now…
Let's try MEA for LOS-BEY, and Gulf Air for BEY-ATH.
LOS-BEY: MEA Incorrect
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
Just one to go!
83. (1987) It’s Spring Break and with an early spring snowstorm bearing down on southern Michigan, you couldn’t have picked a better time to be headed off to the Virgin Islands. Better yet, you’ll be flying First Class all the way! Your flight will depart Detroit tomorrow morning and, following a brief connection, you’ll arrive in St. Thomas tomorrow afternoon. The same airline will take you all the way and both flights will be aboard the same type of airplane. You know the drill by now. Please fill in all the pertinent blanks regarding these flights.
Next guess: Piedmont flew F.28s, 737s, and 727s in 1987; I'll guess PI 727-200s via CLT.
Sounds reasonable. Did Piedmont offer First Class in 1987? Probably. They were only around for a couple more years before disappearing into then USAir. However, Piedmont is not the airline we're looking for here. I don't believe they ever served St. Thomas.
Please - Guess again!
Let's try MEA for LOS-BEY, and Gulf Air for BEY-ATH.
LOS-BEY: MEA Incorrect
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
Just one to go!
83. (1987) It’s Spring Break and with an early spring snowstorm bearing down on southern Michigan, you couldn’t have picked a better time to be headed off to the Virgin Islands. Better yet, you’ll be flying First Class all the way! Your flight will depart Detroit tomorrow morning and, following a brief connection, you’ll arrive in St. Thomas tomorrow afternoon. The same airline will take you all the way and both flights will be aboard the same type of airplane. You know the drill by now. Please fill in all the pertinent blanks regarding these flights.
Next guess: Piedmont flew F.28s, 737s, and 727s in 1987; I'll guess PI 727-200s via CLT.
Sounds reasonable. Did Piedmont offer First Class in 1987? Probably. They were only around for a couple more years before disappearing into then USAir. However, Piedmont is not the airline we're looking for here. I don't believe they ever served St. Thomas.
Please - Guess again!
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75. (1994) Per the schedules available to me in a late 1994 OAG, there is only one airline shown to be operating both the DC-10 and the L-1011 within North America. Which airline is it?
It isn't Eastern or Pan Am since they no longer existed in 1994, and it isn't Delta since they no longer had their ex-Western DC-10s. United's L-1011s were probably also gone by then since they were acquired as part of Pan Am's Pacific division in the 80s, and they didn't really fit in United's fleet of DC-10s. I believe ATA didn't have many DC-10s or for very long, so that just leaves Hawaiian.
Way to work it out, Strick! Hawaiian is correct!
It isn't Eastern or Pan Am since they no longer existed in 1994, and it isn't Delta since they no longer had their ex-Western DC-10s. United's L-1011s were probably also gone by then since they were acquired as part of Pan Am's Pacific division in the 80s, and they didn't really fit in United's fleet of DC-10s. I believe ATA didn't have many DC-10s or for very long, so that just leaves Hawaiian.
Way to work it out, Strick! Hawaiian is correct!
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62. (1994) As an avid reader of the Official Airline Guide, you are shocked to discover that per the schedules published in your full sized 1994 North American Edition OAG, only one airline operates a foreign built jetliner into Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport (FLL). Identify that airline and the aircraft type it operates into FLL.
It's an A320, but not from AC, HP, NW or UA
A320 at FLL: the infamous/notorious Leisure Airways?
Yes, it could. Leisure Air (L8) operated its A320s nonstop into Ft. Lauderdale from Boston and Hartford.
It's an A320, but not from AC, HP, NW or UA
A320 at FLL: the infamous/notorious Leisure Airways?
Yes, it could. Leisure Air (L8) operated its A320s nonstop into Ft. Lauderdale from Boston and Hartford.
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64. (1987) You are a professor of Native American studies at Mesa State College in Grand Junction, Colorado. You’ve been invited to speak at a symposium on Indian affairs hosted by Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada at the Edmonton EXPO Center. You’re pleasantly surprised to learn there is a three stop direct flight from Grand Junction straight through to Edmonton. Alas, you’ll have to make a connection on the way back, but that's a question for another quiz. Identify the airline, the three stops and the aircraft type please.
66. (1987) When it comes to spring skiing, Colorado and Utah are the best! In California that Sierra Cement is even wetter and heavier in the spring. Best of all, now that there’s jet service into Eagle Valley Airport outside of Vail, CO, you won’t have to cram your 6’6” frame into whatever those propeller planes are on Rocky Mountain Scareways. Today’s trip from Oakland to Vail will require two flights, each on a different airline. However, each airline will be operating the same type of aircraft. Identify the two airlines, the connection airport and the aircraft type.
67. (1976) As a foreign exchange student from Hong Kong living and studying in Brisbane, Australia, you typically only get to return home for the long summer holidays between January and February. However, when your father offers to fly you home for Hong Kong’s famous Tin Hau Festival in April, you get right to work booking your flights. Qantas offers a once weekly direct flight between Brisbane and Hong Kong which doesn’t work for you, but you’ve found an airline offering a single convenient connection with just a one hour layover at the connection point. Your flight from Brisbane to the connecting point will be nonstop with the onward flight to Hong Kong making one enroute stop. You know the drill by now. Give me all the usual particulars.
69. (1994) You and your buddies are fixin’ to enjoy a little turkey hunting in the Appalachian foothills north of Birmingham, Alabama. To get there from New York City, that old saying comes to mind: “When I die and go to Heaven, I’ll probably have to connect in Atlanta”. Not so says your friendly travel agent. It turns out the New York to Birmingham market is served by a single airline offering two daily nonstop flights (Well, one X6 and one X7) out of Kennedy. You quickly book four seats down to BHM on the evening flight. Which airline will you be flying and what type of aircraft will you be flying upon?
70. (1966) For passengers desiring direct, no change of plane service between New York and Hong Kong, Pan American has long been the go-to airline. But what if that Pan Am flight is sold out? Well in early 1966, there was also one other option. That flight actually made one less stop (7) than Pan Am’s most expeditious routing (8). Identify the airline and the aircraft. Then we’ll get started on piecing together your best guesses as to the route heading eastbound from New York. We’re looking for complete answers here, so please submit only answers inclusive of ALL seven enroute stops with each guess. Good luck!
71. (1987) You’re in Tucson and need to fly up to Seattle. You fondly remember the good old days when you could book a five or six stop Hughes Airwest flight and enjoy an air tour of the west on your way up to Seattle. Alas, times have changed these days, but you are thankful to discover a three stop direct flight that’ll get you into Seattle in plenty of time to enjoy a late lunch the famous Athenian Restaurant in Pike Place Market. Identify the airline, the three stops and the aircraft type please.
73. (1976) As of early 1976, what is the longest flight operated with the VC10? A cyber pat on the back for identifying the airline(s) involved
76. (1987) You were all set to drive from Madison, Wisconsin to Olympia, Washington when Bam! Your transmission went out. This is gonna be an expensive and time consuming fix meaning you’ll have to fly to Seattle instead. From Madison, Northwest would be the go-to airline here but it’s not available between Minneapolis and Seattle. Instead, you’ve found a two flight connection involving two airlines, both operating the same aircraft type – a type rarely seen in Madison. Identify the two airlines, the aircraft type and the connection city.
78. (1994) You need to fly from Kahului (Maui) to San Francisco. United offers two daily nonstop DC-10s but alas, they are both sold out for some reason. Even in First Class! Go figure… It turns out that two other airlines offer direct one stop service between Kahului and San Francisco. Each of them operate different aircraft types, both in an all-economy configuration. Identify each airline and the aircraft type each operates. And uh, oh yeah – the intermediate stop, too.
79. (1987) Amazing! There’s actually a direct flight between New Orleans and Minneapolis – two of them, actually, both one-stoppers operated by the same airline and both following the same routing. The only difference is in the aircraft types which differ from one another by variant type. Identify the airline, the intermediate stop and the aircraft type and variants.
80. (MISC) What was the initial list price for the 707-120?
81. (1976) Business requires you to fly to Boston to inspect and possibly purchase equipment for a new hospital being built in Lagos, Nigeria. Unfortunately, there are no nonstops between Lagos and Boston and the direct flight to New York is unavailable. Thankfully, you’ve found seats aboard a quartet of nonstop flights that will allow you to mix business with pleasure. First, you’ll fly from Lagos up to Beirut where you’ll meet for dinner with a representative of the company that will be providing the hospital’s accounting system. The following day you’ll continue on to Athens where you’ll meet an old friend and business associate for dinner. Then on Saturday you’ll get an early start on a nonstop flight to London where, following a three hour and forty five minute layover you’ll continue on to Boston. Each flight is operated by a different airline but all flights utilize the same type of popular aircraft. So then, I’ve identified your routing. All you have to do is match up airlines to the routes and determine the aircraft type common to all four flights. Easy Peasy. G’wan now…
It's the VC10. Here's what we've got so far...
LOS-BEY: ______________
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
82. (1994) Air travelers flying between Chicago’s Midway Airport and Atlanta’s Hartsfield International in late 1994 have an embarrassment of riches with not one but THREE airlines offering a total of eight mostly daily nonstop flights between the two airports. Each airline operates aircraft different from the other two airlines. Identify each of the three airlines and the equipment type each airline utilizes on its MDW-ATL flights.
83. (1987) It’s Spring Break and with an early spring snowstorm bearing down on southern Michigan, you couldn’t have picked a better time to be headed off to the Virgin Islands. Better yet, you’ll be flying First Class all the way! Your flight will depart Detroit tomorrow morning and, following a brief connection, you’ll arrive in St. Thomas tomorrow afternoon. The same airline will take you all the way and both flights will be aboard the same type of airplane. You know the drill by now. Please fill in all the pertinent blanks regarding these flights.
It's not Midway or Eastern or American or Piedmont
84. (1976) I’ve identified what appear to be the only three routes flown nonstop between North America and Africa – at least in early 1976. Please identify the airports involved in each of the three routes. Throw in the airlines if you feel up to it.
85. (1994) Your company just won the contract to install a group of new grain elevators up in Churchill, Manitoba. From your home base in Minneapolis, it looks like you should be able to get up to Churchill more easily than you initially thought. You’ll fly nonstop to an airport across the border where you’ll connect to a different airline’s one stop jet flight up to Churchill. Identify the two airlines involved, the aircraft each flies and the enroute stop on the second flight up to Churchill.
64. (1987) You are a professor of Native American studies at Mesa State College in Grand Junction, Colorado. You’ve been invited to speak at a symposium on Indian affairs hosted by Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada at the Edmonton EXPO Center. You’re pleasantly surprised to learn there is a three stop direct flight from Grand Junction straight through to Edmonton. Alas, you’ll have to make a connection on the way back, but that's a question for another quiz. Identify the airline, the three stops and the aircraft type please.
66. (1987) When it comes to spring skiing, Colorado and Utah are the best! In California that Sierra Cement is even wetter and heavier in the spring. Best of all, now that there’s jet service into Eagle Valley Airport outside of Vail, CO, you won’t have to cram your 6’6” frame into whatever those propeller planes are on Rocky Mountain Scareways. Today’s trip from Oakland to Vail will require two flights, each on a different airline. However, each airline will be operating the same type of aircraft. Identify the two airlines, the connection airport and the aircraft type.
67. (1976) As a foreign exchange student from Hong Kong living and studying in Brisbane, Australia, you typically only get to return home for the long summer holidays between January and February. However, when your father offers to fly you home for Hong Kong’s famous Tin Hau Festival in April, you get right to work booking your flights. Qantas offers a once weekly direct flight between Brisbane and Hong Kong which doesn’t work for you, but you’ve found an airline offering a single convenient connection with just a one hour layover at the connection point. Your flight from Brisbane to the connecting point will be nonstop with the onward flight to Hong Kong making one enroute stop. You know the drill by now. Give me all the usual particulars.
69. (1994) You and your buddies are fixin’ to enjoy a little turkey hunting in the Appalachian foothills north of Birmingham, Alabama. To get there from New York City, that old saying comes to mind: “When I die and go to Heaven, I’ll probably have to connect in Atlanta”. Not so says your friendly travel agent. It turns out the New York to Birmingham market is served by a single airline offering two daily nonstop flights (Well, one X6 and one X7) out of Kennedy. You quickly book four seats down to BHM on the evening flight. Which airline will you be flying and what type of aircraft will you be flying upon?
70. (1966) For passengers desiring direct, no change of plane service between New York and Hong Kong, Pan American has long been the go-to airline. But what if that Pan Am flight is sold out? Well in early 1966, there was also one other option. That flight actually made one less stop (7) than Pan Am’s most expeditious routing (8). Identify the airline and the aircraft. Then we’ll get started on piecing together your best guesses as to the route heading eastbound from New York. We’re looking for complete answers here, so please submit only answers inclusive of ALL seven enroute stops with each guess. Good luck!
71. (1987) You’re in Tucson and need to fly up to Seattle. You fondly remember the good old days when you could book a five or six stop Hughes Airwest flight and enjoy an air tour of the west on your way up to Seattle. Alas, times have changed these days, but you are thankful to discover a three stop direct flight that’ll get you into Seattle in plenty of time to enjoy a late lunch the famous Athenian Restaurant in Pike Place Market. Identify the airline, the three stops and the aircraft type please.
73. (1976) As of early 1976, what is the longest flight operated with the VC10? A cyber pat on the back for identifying the airline(s) involved
76. (1987) You were all set to drive from Madison, Wisconsin to Olympia, Washington when Bam! Your transmission went out. This is gonna be an expensive and time consuming fix meaning you’ll have to fly to Seattle instead. From Madison, Northwest would be the go-to airline here but it’s not available between Minneapolis and Seattle. Instead, you’ve found a two flight connection involving two airlines, both operating the same aircraft type – a type rarely seen in Madison. Identify the two airlines, the aircraft type and the connection city.
78. (1994) You need to fly from Kahului (Maui) to San Francisco. United offers two daily nonstop DC-10s but alas, they are both sold out for some reason. Even in First Class! Go figure… It turns out that two other airlines offer direct one stop service between Kahului and San Francisco. Each of them operate different aircraft types, both in an all-economy configuration. Identify each airline and the aircraft type each operates. And uh, oh yeah – the intermediate stop, too.
79. (1987) Amazing! There’s actually a direct flight between New Orleans and Minneapolis – two of them, actually, both one-stoppers operated by the same airline and both following the same routing. The only difference is in the aircraft types which differ from one another by variant type. Identify the airline, the intermediate stop and the aircraft type and variants.
80. (MISC) What was the initial list price for the 707-120?
81. (1976) Business requires you to fly to Boston to inspect and possibly purchase equipment for a new hospital being built in Lagos, Nigeria. Unfortunately, there are no nonstops between Lagos and Boston and the direct flight to New York is unavailable. Thankfully, you’ve found seats aboard a quartet of nonstop flights that will allow you to mix business with pleasure. First, you’ll fly from Lagos up to Beirut where you’ll meet for dinner with a representative of the company that will be providing the hospital’s accounting system. The following day you’ll continue on to Athens where you’ll meet an old friend and business associate for dinner. Then on Saturday you’ll get an early start on a nonstop flight to London where, following a three hour and forty five minute layover you’ll continue on to Boston. Each flight is operated by a different airline but all flights utilize the same type of popular aircraft. So then, I’ve identified your routing. All you have to do is match up airlines to the routes and determine the aircraft type common to all four flights. Easy Peasy. G’wan now…
It's the VC10. Here's what we've got so far...
LOS-BEY: ______________
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
82. (1994) Air travelers flying between Chicago’s Midway Airport and Atlanta’s Hartsfield International in late 1994 have an embarrassment of riches with not one but THREE airlines offering a total of eight mostly daily nonstop flights between the two airports. Each airline operates aircraft different from the other two airlines. Identify each of the three airlines and the equipment type each airline utilizes on its MDW-ATL flights.
83. (1987) It’s Spring Break and with an early spring snowstorm bearing down on southern Michigan, you couldn’t have picked a better time to be headed off to the Virgin Islands. Better yet, you’ll be flying First Class all the way! Your flight will depart Detroit tomorrow morning and, following a brief connection, you’ll arrive in St. Thomas tomorrow afternoon. The same airline will take you all the way and both flights will be aboard the same type of airplane. You know the drill by now. Please fill in all the pertinent blanks regarding these flights.
It's not Midway or Eastern or American or Piedmont
84. (1976) I’ve identified what appear to be the only three routes flown nonstop between North America and Africa – at least in early 1976. Please identify the airports involved in each of the three routes. Throw in the airlines if you feel up to it.
85. (1994) Your company just won the contract to install a group of new grain elevators up in Churchill, Manitoba. From your home base in Minneapolis, it looks like you should be able to get up to Churchill more easily than you initially thought. You’ll fly nonstop to an airport across the border where you’ll connect to a different airline’s one stop jet flight up to Churchill. Identify the two airlines involved, the aircraft each flies and the enroute stop on the second flight up to Churchill.
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81. (1976)
It's the VC10. Here's what we've got so far...
LOS-BEY: ______________
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
It's the VC10. Here's what we've got so far...
LOS-BEY: ______________
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
70. (1966) For passengers desiring direct, no change of plane service between New York and Hong Kong, Pan American has long been the go-to airline. But what if that Pan Am flight is sold out? Well in early 1966, there was also one other option. That flight actually made one less stop (7) than Pan Am’s most expeditious routing (8). Identify the airline and the aircraft. Then we’ll get started on piecing together your best guesses as to the route heading eastbound from New York. We’re looking for complete answers here, so please submit only answers inclusive of ALL seven enroute stops with each guess. Good luck!
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82. (1994) Air travelers flying between Chicago’s Midway Airport and Atlanta’s Hartsfield International in late 1994 have an embarrassment of riches with not one but THREE airlines offering a total of eight mostly daily nonstop flights between the two airports. Each airline operates aircraft different from the other two airlines. Identify each of the three airlines and the equipment type each airline utilizes on its MDW-ATL flights.
85. (1994) Your company just won the contract to install a group of new grain elevators up in Churchill, Manitoba. From your home base in Minneapolis, it looks like you should be able to get up to Churchill more easily than you initially thought. You’ll fly nonstop to an airport across the border where you’ll connect to a different airline’s one stop jet flight up to Churchill. Identify the two airlines involved, the aircraft each flies and the enroute stop on the second flight up to Churchill.
I think YWG-YYQ jet service would have been Canadian Partner (Calm Air?) with an F.28 stopping at Thompson/YTH
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81. (1976) Business requires you to fly to Boston to inspect and possibly purchase equipment for a new hospital being built in Lagos, Nigeria. Unfortunately, there are no nonstops between Lagos and Boston and the direct flight to New York is unavailable. Thankfully, you’ve found seats aboard a quartet of nonstop flights that will allow you to mix business with pleasure. First, you’ll fly from Lagos up to Beirut where you’ll meet for dinner with a representative of the company that will be providing the hospital’s accounting system. The following day you’ll continue on to Athens where you’ll meet an old friend and business associate for dinner. Then on Saturday you’ll get an early start on a nonstop flight to London where, following a three hour and forty five minute layover you’ll continue on to Boston. Each flight is operated by a different airline but all flights utilize the same type of popular aircraft. So then, I’ve identified your routing. All you have to do is match up airlines to the routes and determine the aircraft type common to all four flights. Easy Peasy. G’wan now…
It's the VC10. Here's what we've got so far...
LOS-BEY: Ghana Airways VC-10, operating Accra-Lagos-Beirut .Correct!
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
Right on! Here's the itinerary:
Ghana Airways GH 600 Lagos (LOS) 1105a-520p Beirut (BEY) VC10 Th only
Gulf Air GF 081 Beirut (BEY) 130p-340p Athens (ATH) VC10 Fr only
East African EC 654 Athens (ATH) 615a-815a London (LHR) VC10 Sa only
British Airways BA 561 London (LHR) 1200n-220p Boston (BOS) VC10 Daily
70. (1966) For passengers desiring direct, no change of plane service between New York and Hong Kong, Pan American has long been the go-to airline. But what if that Pan Am flight is sold out? Well in early 1966, there was also one other option. That flight actually made one less stop (7) than Pan Am’s most expeditious routing (8). Identify the airline and the aircraft. Then we’ll get started on piecing together your best guesses as to the route heading eastbound from New York. We’re looking for complete answers here, so please submit only answers inclusive of ALL seven enroute stops with each guess. Good luck!
Let's go for TWA, with a 707 service all the way to Hong Kong. Guessing for stops, let's say New York-Paris-Rome-Athens-Cairo-Bombay-Colombo-Bangkok-Hong Kong
TWA is always an excellent response for a scenario such as this and yet - surprisingly - it's not TWA. It is a 707 though. Of the stops identified above, the following are correct:
Paris (ORY), Bombay (BOM) and Hong Kong (HKG). Paris is not the first stop. Hong Kong is the last stop.
Please, carry on
It's the VC10. Here's what we've got so far...
LOS-BEY: Ghana Airways VC-10, operating Accra-Lagos-Beirut .Correct!
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
Right on! Here's the itinerary:
Ghana Airways GH 600 Lagos (LOS) 1105a-520p Beirut (BEY) VC10 Th only
Gulf Air GF 081 Beirut (BEY) 130p-340p Athens (ATH) VC10 Fr only
East African EC 654 Athens (ATH) 615a-815a London (LHR) VC10 Sa only
British Airways BA 561 London (LHR) 1200n-220p Boston (BOS) VC10 Daily
70. (1966) For passengers desiring direct, no change of plane service between New York and Hong Kong, Pan American has long been the go-to airline. But what if that Pan Am flight is sold out? Well in early 1966, there was also one other option. That flight actually made one less stop (7) than Pan Am’s most expeditious routing (8). Identify the airline and the aircraft. Then we’ll get started on piecing together your best guesses as to the route heading eastbound from New York. We’re looking for complete answers here, so please submit only answers inclusive of ALL seven enroute stops with each guess. Good luck!
Let's go for TWA, with a 707 service all the way to Hong Kong. Guessing for stops, let's say New York-Paris-Rome-Athens-Cairo-Bombay-Colombo-Bangkok-Hong Kong
TWA is always an excellent response for a scenario such as this and yet - surprisingly - it's not TWA. It is a 707 though. Of the stops identified above, the following are correct:
Paris (ORY), Bombay (BOM) and Hong Kong (HKG). Paris is not the first stop. Hong Kong is the last stop.
Please, carry on
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82. (1994) Air travelers flying between Chicago’s Midway Airport and Atlanta’s Hartsfield International in late 1994 have an embarrassment of riches with not one but THREE airlines offering a total of eight mostly daily nonstop flights between the two airports. Each airline operates aircraft different from the other two airlines. Identify each of the three airlines and the equipment type each airline utilizes on its MDW-ATL flights.
Let’s start this off with two that I’m confident about: Kiwi International with a 727-200, and ValuJet with a DC-9-30 ... as for the third, how about a short-lived service by the reincarnated Midway with a Fokker 100, before they moved their hub from MDW to Raleigh-Durham/RDU (early 1995?)
You're off to a good start, J Kiwi International with 727-200s and ValuJet with the DC-9-30 are both correct! Alas, while Midway would certainly seem a logical choice, but no - it wasn't Midway.
BTW, did Midway "move" its hub from MDW or was the second Midway and entirely different airline despite the same name. I'm thinking the latter...
In any event, the airline we're looking for was short lived and operated an American built aircraft
85. (1994) Your company just won the contract to install a group of new grain elevators up in Churchill, Manitoba. From your home base in Minneapolis, it looks like you should be able to get up to Churchill more easily than you initially thought. You’ll fly nonstop to an airport across the border where you’ll connect to a different airline’s one stop jet flight up to Churchill. Identify the two airlines involved, the aircraft each flies and the enroute stop on the second flight up to Churchill.
Winnipeg/YWG has been the only Canadian “hub” for service to Churchill/YYQ; MSP-YWG was a longstanding Northwest route, probably seeing a 727-251 at this point in time. I think YWG-YYQ jet service would have been Canadian Partner (Calm Air?) with an F.28 stopping at Thompson/YTH
Well now, Northwest is practically a gimme for nonstop flights between MSP and just about anywhere north of the border. It is of course correct! The second airline is not Canadian Partner Calm Air (nor any other partner for that matter) and, surprisingly, it did not stop in Thompson.
Please, carry on!
Let’s start this off with two that I’m confident about: Kiwi International with a 727-200, and ValuJet with a DC-9-30 ... as for the third, how about a short-lived service by the reincarnated Midway with a Fokker 100, before they moved their hub from MDW to Raleigh-Durham/RDU (early 1995?)
You're off to a good start, J
Kiwi International with 727-200s and ValuJet with the DC-9-30 are both correct! Alas, while Midway would certainly seem a logical choice, but no - it wasn't Midway.BTW, did Midway "move" its hub from MDW or was the second Midway and entirely different airline despite the same name. I'm thinking the latter...
In any event, the airline we're looking for was short lived and operated an American built aircraft
85. (1994) Your company just won the contract to install a group of new grain elevators up in Churchill, Manitoba. From your home base in Minneapolis, it looks like you should be able to get up to Churchill more easily than you initially thought. You’ll fly nonstop to an airport across the border where you’ll connect to a different airline’s one stop jet flight up to Churchill. Identify the two airlines involved, the aircraft each flies and the enroute stop on the second flight up to Churchill.
Winnipeg/YWG has been the only Canadian “hub” for service to Churchill/YYQ; MSP-YWG was a longstanding Northwest route, probably seeing a 727-251 at this point in time. I think YWG-YYQ jet service would have been Canadian Partner (Calm Air?) with an F.28 stopping at Thompson/YTH
Well now, Northwest is practically a gimme for nonstop flights between MSP and just about anywhere north of the border. It is of course correct! The second airline is not Canadian Partner Calm Air (nor any other partner for that matter) and, surprisingly, it did not stop in Thompson.
Please, carry on!
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81- replying to Seat 2A's question from yesterday: "Did Piedmont offer First Class in 1987? Probably."
yes; I rode on 737-201 N803N DAY-DCA on a Friday afternoon in August of that year ... it was the last day of my two-week Reserve tour, and I was going to spend the weekend with my mom before returning to Seattle (my dad had passed away a few months earlier); I'd booked the 2015 flight because I wasn't sure the administrative stuff would wrap up in time for me to make the 1335 ... got to the airport ~1330 and heard the "now boarding for Washington National" announcement ... didn't bother to change out of my uniform, dashed up to the gate agent and asked "Got room for one more?", and the FA standing at the forward galley said "Welcome aboard, sir; just sit there" as she pointed with her left hand to your namesake seat
82- wikipedia (the authoritative source of all things on the Internet
) indicates that Midway II -- operating with the code "JI" rather than the "ML" of its predecessor -- did in fact start up at its namesake airport with a pair of F.100s operating to LaGuardia
"Midway initially began in November 1993 with Chicago Midway-New York LaGuardia service with two Fokker 100s. This service grew to also serve Philadelphia, Boston, Allentown, Washington D.C., Orlando, Tampa, Dallas/Ft. Worth and Denver. Due to competition and limited gate space, Midway moved to Durham, North Carolina, and set up a hub at Raleigh-Durham International Airport (RDU) in 1995."
didn't Vanguard use MDW as an adjunct to their Kansas City hub? if so, they would have run a 737 (-200?)
85- looking at a map of Manitoba, about the only other towns with names I recognize as having had scheduled service are Flin Flon/YFO and The Pas/YQD ... on the basis of the parenthetical "(nor any other partner for that matter)" I'll offer Canadian itself, with a 737-217 via YFO
yes; I rode on 737-201 N803N DAY-DCA on a Friday afternoon in August of that year ... it was the last day of my two-week Reserve tour, and I was going to spend the weekend with my mom before returning to Seattle (my dad had passed away a few months earlier); I'd booked the 2015 flight because I wasn't sure the administrative stuff would wrap up in time for me to make the 1335 ... got to the airport ~1330 and heard the "now boarding for Washington National" announcement ... didn't bother to change out of my uniform, dashed up to the gate agent and asked "Got room for one more?", and the FA standing at the forward galley said "Welcome aboard, sir; just sit there" as she pointed with her left hand to your namesake seat
82- wikipedia (the authoritative source of all things on the Internet
) indicates that Midway II -- operating with the code "JI" rather than the "ML" of its predecessor -- did in fact start up at its namesake airport with a pair of F.100s operating to LaGuardia"Midway initially began in November 1993 with Chicago Midway-New York LaGuardia service with two Fokker 100s. This service grew to also serve Philadelphia, Boston, Allentown, Washington D.C., Orlando, Tampa, Dallas/Ft. Worth and Denver. Due to competition and limited gate space, Midway moved to Durham, North Carolina, and set up a hub at Raleigh-Durham International Airport (RDU) in 1995."
didn't Vanguard use MDW as an adjunct to their Kansas City hub? if so, they would have run a 737 (-200?)
85- looking at a map of Manitoba, about the only other towns with names I recognize as having had scheduled service are Flin Flon/YFO and The Pas/YQD ... on the basis of the parenthetical "(nor any other partner for that matter)" I'll offer Canadian itself, with a 737-217 via YFO
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81. (1976)
It's the VC10.
LOS-BEY: Ghana Airways VC-10, operating Accra-Lagos-Beirut .Correct!
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
It's the VC10.
LOS-BEY: Ghana Airways VC-10, operating Accra-Lagos-Beirut .Correct!
BEY-ATH: Gulf Air Correct!
ATH-LHR: East African Correct!
LHR-BOS: British Airways Correct!
There has long been a thin but continuous service from West Africa to the Middle East, initially to the onetime commercial hub of Beirut, nowadays inevitably to Dubai/Doha/Abu Dhabi. Countries like Ghana and (particularly northern) Nigeria have a significant Muslim population who travel to the Middle East, and the services have been operated from both ends. MEA did not have any VC-10s by the time of this question, but when they did they were pretty regular on these routes. But for Bonus question 2, among these infrequent operations in 1962-3 from the West African coastal states to Beirut was one carrier using the Ilyushin 18 turboprop. Who was that ?
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There has long been a thin but continuous service from West Africa to the Middle East, initially to the onetime commercial hub of Beirut, nowadays inevitably to Dubai/Doha/Abu Dhabi. Countries like Ghana and (particularly northern) Nigeria have a significant Muslim population who travel to the Middle East, and the services have been operated from both ends. MEA did not have any VC-10s by the time of this question, but when they did they were pretty regular on these routes. But for Bonus question 2, among these infrequent operations in 1962-3 from the West African coastal states to Beirut was one carrier using the Ilyushin 18 turboprop. Who was that ?
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70. (1966) For passengers desiring direct, no change of plane service between New York and Hong Kong, Pan American has long been the go-to airline. But what if that Pan Am flight is sold out? Well in early 1966, there was also one other option. That flight actually made one less stop (7) than Pan Am’s most expeditious routing (8). Identify the airline and the aircraft. Then we’ll get started on piecing together your best guesses as to the route heading eastbound from New York. We’re looking for complete answers here, so please submit only answers inclusive of ALL seven enroute stops with each guess. Good luck!
Paris (ORY), Bombay (BOM) and Hong Kong (HKG). Paris is not the first stop. Hong Kong is the last stop.
Paris (ORY), Bombay (BOM) and Hong Kong (HKG). Paris is not the first stop. Hong Kong is the last stop.
Was the Northwest 707 running New York-Seattle-Tokyo-Hong Kong in 1966 ? That's a lot less stops.
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I suspect MS would be the most likely
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85. (1994) Your company just won the contract to install a group of new grain elevators up in Churchill, Manitoba. From your home base in Minneapolis, it looks like you should be able to get up to Churchill more easily than you initially thought. You’ll fly nonstop to an airport across the border where you’ll connect to a different airline’s one stop jet flight up to Churchill. Identify the two airlines involved, the aircraft each flies and the enroute stop on the second flight up to Churchill.
Looking at a map of Manitoba, about the only other towns with names I recognize as having had scheduled service are Flin Flon/YFO and The Pas/YQD ... on the basis of the parenthetical "(nor any other partner for that matter)" I'll offer Canadian itself, with a 737-217 via YFO
Two more logical picks, and yet - NO! You are correct however with CPAir running a 737-200 on this flight.
Now, if you can just come up with that pesky intermediate stop!
Looking at a map of Manitoba, about the only other towns with names I recognize as having had scheduled service are Flin Flon/YFO and The Pas/YQD ... on the basis of the parenthetical "(nor any other partner for that matter)" I'll offer Canadian itself, with a 737-217 via YFO
Two more logical picks, and yet - NO! You are correct however with CPAir running a 737-200 on this flight.
Now, if you can just come up with that pesky intermediate stop!
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70. (1966) For passengers desiring direct, no change of plane service between New York and Hong Kong, Pan American has long been the go-to airline. But what if that Pan Am flight is sold out? Well in early 1966, there was also one other option. That flight actually made one less stop (7) than Pan Am’s most expeditious routing (8). Identify the airline and the aircraft. Then we’ll get started on piecing together your best guesses as to the route heading eastbound from New York. We’re looking for complete answers here, so please submit only answers inclusive of ALL seven enroute stops with each guess. Good luck!
Oh well, if not TWA, and 7 stops, what about the Air India fiction of a through 707 flight, routing New York-London-Paris-Frankfurt-Beirut-Bombay-Calcutta-Bangkok-Hong Kong.
Air India it is! There are two slightly different itineraries. Here's the first:
Air India AI 102 New York (JFK) 830a-805a London (LHR) 1000a-1200n Paris (ORY) 115p-225p Frankfurt (FRA) 305p-800p Beirut (BEY) 850p-530a Bombay (BOM) 630a-845a Calcutta (CCU) 925a-110p Bangkok (BKK) 155p-520p Hong Kong (HKG) Mo only
And here's the Second:
Air India AI 112 New York (JFK) 830p-805a London (LHR) 1000a-1225p Frankfurt (FRA) 135p-235p Geneva (GVA) 320p-755p Cairo (CAI) 835p-500a Bombay (BOM) * UNKNOWN AIRPORT (PLV) * Bangkok (BKK) 300p-625p Hong Kong (HKG).Sa only
My battered old 1976 OAG is missing a couple of the pages deciphering the 3-letter airport codes, so I was unable to employ its definition of PLV. An internet search indicates PLV belongs to Poltava Airport in the Ukraine, but of course geographically this makes no sense. A look at the regional map shows only Calcutta as a reasonable stop, but when I apply the same flight times as in itinerary #1 routing BOM-CCU-BKK, they don't time out correctly (They're off by over an hour). Could the second flight have routed through Madras (Chennai) or Delhi? The airport code PLV or even something like it (i.e. PLY, PIV) doesn't seem to fit. So then, what say you?
Was the Northwest 707 running New York-Seattle-Tokyo-Hong Kong in 1966 ? That's a lot less stops.
The OAG I employed to reference this question listed only Pan Am and Air India offering direct flights between New York and Hong Kong.
Oh well, if not TWA, and 7 stops, what about the Air India fiction of a through 707 flight, routing New York-London-Paris-Frankfurt-Beirut-Bombay-Calcutta-Bangkok-Hong Kong.
Air India it is!
There are two slightly different itineraries. Here's the first:Air India AI 102 New York (JFK) 830a-805a London (LHR) 1000a-1200n Paris (ORY) 115p-225p Frankfurt (FRA) 305p-800p Beirut (BEY) 850p-530a Bombay (BOM) 630a-845a Calcutta (CCU) 925a-110p Bangkok (BKK) 155p-520p Hong Kong (HKG) Mo only
And here's the Second:
Air India AI 112 New York (JFK) 830p-805a London (LHR) 1000a-1225p Frankfurt (FRA) 135p-235p Geneva (GVA) 320p-755p Cairo (CAI) 835p-500a Bombay (BOM) * UNKNOWN AIRPORT (PLV) * Bangkok (BKK) 300p-625p Hong Kong (HKG).Sa only
My battered old 1976 OAG is missing a couple of the pages deciphering the 3-letter airport codes, so I was unable to employ its definition of PLV. An internet search indicates PLV belongs to Poltava Airport in the Ukraine, but of course geographically this makes no sense. A look at the regional map shows only Calcutta as a reasonable stop, but when I apply the same flight times as in itinerary #1 routing BOM-CCU-BKK, they don't time out correctly (They're off by over an hour). Could the second flight have routed through Madras (Chennai) or Delhi? The airport code PLV or even something like it (i.e. PLY, PIV) doesn't seem to fit. So then, what say you?
Was the Northwest 707 running New York-Seattle-Tokyo-Hong Kong in 1966 ? That's a lot less stops.
The OAG I employed to reference this question listed only Pan Am and Air India offering direct flights between New York and Hong Kong.
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