Avoiding tipping?
#271
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Well, my son works in a restaurant in Toronto and is grateful for any tip left! He wouldn't be able to survive without it which is unfortunate but true and a sad reflection on the wages paid to people in a sector where they work very long hours in work which believe it or not is extremely hard...not to mention the numerous pairs of shoes he has to buy from all the walking about. He also has to purchase his uniform which is changed every 3 months or so....He also has to tip out other people he works with on a percentage basis and this comes out of his own money if the tip left is lower than the percentage he has to pay others (if that makes sense!!).....so please carry on tipping, you really are making a difference!
#272
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Well, my son works in a restaurant in Toronto and is grateful for any tip left! He wouldn't be able to survive without it which is unfortunate but true and a sad reflection on the wages paid to people in a sector where they work very long hours in work which believe it or not is extremely hard...not to mention the numerous pairs of shoes he has to buy from all the walking about. He also has to purchase his uniform which is changed every 3 months or so....He also has to tip out other people he works with on a percentage basis and this comes out of his own money if the tip left is lower than the percentage he has to pay others (if that makes sense!!).....so please carry on tipping, you really are making a difference!
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Well, my son works in a restaurant in Toronto and is grateful for any tip left! He wouldn't be able to survive without it which is unfortunate but true and a sad reflection on the wages paid to people in a sector where they work very long hours in work which believe it or not is extremely hard...not to mention the numerous pairs of shoes he has to buy from all the walking about. He also has to purchase his uniform which is changed every 3 months or so....He also has to tip out other people he works with on a percentage basis and this comes out of his own money if the tip left is lower than the percentage he has to pay others (if that makes sense!!).....so please carry on tipping, you really are making a difference!
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You make a good point. Whilst I definitely do not like the US-style tipping system, when I visit the US I adopt it, because that's the way it's done there.
I'm wondering how many Americans, when visiting a non-tipping culture, disrespect it by not being able resist the natural urge to tip (or try to tip), which may well be offensive to the person they're trying to tip. And how much that habit, over time, may change the culture there. Quite a few, I suspect.
I'm not really too concerned by it, just pointing out that it is a two-way street.
I'm wondering how many Americans, when visiting a non-tipping culture, disrespect it by not being able resist the natural urge to tip (or try to tip), which may well be offensive to the person they're trying to tip. And how much that habit, over time, may change the culture there. Quite a few, I suspect.
I'm not really too concerned by it, just pointing out that it is a two-way street.
You bet your life I gave them each a few Euro for the kindness, patience, and generosity they showed me that day.
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I confess -- last year, year, my husband and I were in Germany. One morning, after breakfast, he went to a business meeting, and took me back to our hotel room. The room had still not been made up, and I sat up on the bed, flipping channels on the TV. Eventually, the housekeepers showed up. In my broken German, I asked them to come in and make up the room. They answered in broken German themselves, being, as it turned out, from Hungary. We ended up chatting, to the best of all our linguistically challenged abilities, during the time they were cleaning and straightening up. When it came time for them to make up the bed, they helped me out and onto my wheelchair (which for some inexplicable reason, my husband had left on the other side of the room, and would have taken me a good five minutes to get to), which I greatly appreciated.
You bet your life I gave them each a few Euro for the kindness, patience, and generosity they showed me that day.
You bet your life I gave them each a few Euro for the kindness, patience, and generosity they showed me that day.
However if you really want to show your kindness to them, you might consider telling the GM of the hotel about it. This way the hotel management knows that they have so lovely staffs, and this attitude should be promoted. I think this will mean even more than the tip you gave them.
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Yes in that situation I'll probably tip too because the housekeeping staff is not expecting a tip (you do know that people earn enough in Germany).
However if you really want to show your kindness to them, you might consider telling the GM of the hotel about it. This way the hotel management knows that they have so lovely staffs, and this attitude should be promoted. I think this will mean even more than the tip you gave them.
However if you really want to show your kindness to them, you might consider telling the GM of the hotel about it. This way the hotel management knows that they have so lovely staffs, and this attitude should be promoted. I think this will mean even more than the tip you gave them.
#277
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Yes in that situation I'll probably tip too because the housekeeping staff is not expecting a tip (you do know that people earn enough in Germany).
However if you really want to show your kindness to them, you might consider telling the GM of the hotel about it. This way the hotel management knows that they have so lovely staffs, and this attitude should be promoted. I think this will mean even more than the tip you gave them.
However if you really want to show your kindness to them, you might consider telling the GM of the hotel about it. This way the hotel management knows that they have so lovely staffs, and this attitude should be promoted. I think this will mean even more than the tip you gave them.
#278
Join Date: May 2011
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The biggest thing I try to avoid is room service. Because there is already a gratuity included in the bill, along with a delivery charge, a service fee, etc. And yet, there almost always the expectation of a tip from the person who delivers the food. It drives me a little nuts.
I also avoid bellhops.
I also avoid bellhops.
#279




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Given that waitstaff in California make significantly more minimum wage than in other parts of the US, why do we tip the same 15-20%?
I'd like to see restaurants pay their workers a fair wage, adjust their menu prices or impose a mandatory service charge accordingly, and ask their patrons not to tip unless it's to recognize exceptional service.
Interesting commentary on this place, that has a mandatory service charge:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/iberia-restaurant-menlo-park
I'd like to see restaurants pay their workers a fair wage, adjust their menu prices or impose a mandatory service charge accordingly, and ask their patrons not to tip unless it's to recognize exceptional service.
Interesting commentary on this place, that has a mandatory service charge:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/iberia-restaurant-menlo-park
Last edited by work2fly; Aug 2, 2012 at 11:18 am
#280




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The biggest thing I try to avoid is room service. Because there is already a gratuity included in the bill, along with a delivery charge, a service fee, etc. And yet, there almost always the expectation of a tip from the person who delivers the food. It drives me a little nuts.
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I once stayed in a hotel in Pleasanton and there is a tip envelop for housekeeping
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Perhaps the following comment should be in the LAS or "gambling forum":
If one wins a jackpot (anything over $1200) playing slot machines, a slot attendant and a security person (eventually
) come to give you your cash; many gamblers will tip each of them, I personally do not. I would not hesitate tipping the slot attendant if he/she steered me to the machine I won on.
[Once I won an even $2000, I was given 19 $100, 4 $20's and 2 $10 not just 20 $100...]
If one wins a jackpot (anything over $1200) playing slot machines, a slot attendant and a security person (eventually
) come to give you your cash; many gamblers will tip each of them, I personally do not. I would not hesitate tipping the slot attendant if he/she steered me to the machine I won on.[Once I won an even $2000, I was given 19 $100, 4 $20's and 2 $10 not just 20 $100...]
#283
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I prefer the tipping system in restaurants due to the simple fact of incentivizing better service. Many countries add a mandatory service charge (i.e. tip), however the service is inferior. Why? The server has no incentive to serve you better; whether he/she does a good job or not you're still paying the "service charge.". Extremely annoying!!
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I prefer the tipping system in restaurants due to the simple fact of incentivizing better service. Many countries add a mandatory service charge (i.e. tip), however the service is inferior. Why? The server has no incentive to serve you better; whether he/she does a good job or not you're still paying the "service charge.". Extremely annoying!!
It's cultural difference - so if the other system bothers you so much, don't use it.
#285
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Given that waitstaff in California make significantly more minimum wage than in other parts of the US, why do we tip the same 15-20%?
I'd like to see restaurants pay their workers a fair wage, adjust their menu prices or impose a mandatory service charge accordingly, and ask their patrons not to tip unless it's to recognize exceptional service.
Interesting commentary on this place, that has a mandatory service charge:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/iberia-restaurant-menlo-park
I'd like to see restaurants pay their workers a fair wage, adjust their menu prices or impose a mandatory service charge accordingly, and ask their patrons not to tip unless it's to recognize exceptional service.
Interesting commentary on this place, that has a mandatory service charge:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/iberia-restaurant-menlo-park
Great servers in great restaurants make very good money. Many are well into six figures.
i think the U.S "system" is ideal.

