Help me decipher visa rules from timatic
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Help me decipher visa rules from timatic
My Dad is an Indian citizen traveling from DEL to EZE via FRA and back to DEL via SCL-GRU-FRA. He will have visas for Argentina and Chile as we are going there, but it wasn't clear to me if he needed a Schengen/German transit visa.
This is what *A.com's timatic application says. Now my Dad has a 10 year UK visa that goes till 2016, and as I said above he has visas for his destination. Maybe I'm dense, but it's not clear to me from the text below whether he needs a transit visa for Germany or not. It seems that this is saying that unless you're traveling to the US, Canada, UK, non-Schengen member state, etc. and have a valid visa for those, you need a transit visa.
National India (IN) /Embarkation India (IN)
Transit Germany (DE) /Destination Argentina (AR)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW
Germany (DE)
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Those transiting to a third country
by the same or first connecting flight without leaving the
transit lounge. Warning: Transit only possible at
Cologne/Bonn, Frankfurt, Munich, Hamburg and Dusseldorf
Airports, see conditions below.
- Nationals of India may use the TWOV facility mentioned
above if:
- holding a valid visa issued by Bulgaria, Canada, Cyprus,
Ireland (Rep. of), Japan, Liechtenstein, Romania, USA (SEE
NOTE 37998) or United Kingdom, traveling to any
non-Schengen Member State; or
- returning from Bulgaria, Canada, Cyprus, Ireland (Rep.
of), Japan, Romania, USA or United Kingdom after having
used the visa.
NOTE 37998: An expired visa for the USA will be accepted,
provided holding an I-797 notice of an extension
applicable to that visa.
- Conditions: TWOV available, provided passenger:
- holds all travel documents required for entry into
country of destination; and
- is properly ticketed with a confirmed reservation for the
connecting flight:
- within 24 hours, through Frankfurt or Munich; OR
- on the same day between 04:30 and 23:30 through Hamburg;
OR
- on the same day between 04:30 and 23:00 through
Cologne/Bonn; OR
- on the same day between 06:00 and 21:00 through
Dusseldorf (SEE NOTE 40424).
*Note:TWOV is not possible when arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State AND departing to a Schengen
Member State TIRULES/R34
NOTE 40424: Inbound carrier must provide prior notice to
authorities by fax: +49 211 421 20521; tel: +49 211 421
63695 or SITA Telex DUSOVXH.
Additional Information:
- Visitors must hold visible means of support, onward/return
tickets or evidence of continuing journey by other means of
transport and/or other documents required for next
destination.
For details, click here
Warning:
- Non-compliance with the entry/transit requirements (incl.
forged documents and unsigned passports) results in:
For details, click here
Argentina (AR)
Passport required.
- Passport and/or passport replacing documents must be valid
on arrival.
Visa required.
This is what *A.com's timatic application says. Now my Dad has a 10 year UK visa that goes till 2016, and as I said above he has visas for his destination. Maybe I'm dense, but it's not clear to me from the text below whether he needs a transit visa for Germany or not. It seems that this is saying that unless you're traveling to the US, Canada, UK, non-Schengen member state, etc. and have a valid visa for those, you need a transit visa.
Originally Posted by starlliance.com
National India (IN) /Embarkation India (IN)
Transit Germany (DE) /Destination Argentina (AR)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW
Germany (DE)
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Those transiting to a third country
by the same or first connecting flight without leaving the
transit lounge. Warning: Transit only possible at
Cologne/Bonn, Frankfurt, Munich, Hamburg and Dusseldorf
Airports, see conditions below.
- Nationals of India may use the TWOV facility mentioned
above if:
- holding a valid visa issued by Bulgaria, Canada, Cyprus,
Ireland (Rep. of), Japan, Liechtenstein, Romania, USA (SEE
NOTE 37998) or United Kingdom, traveling to any
non-Schengen Member State; or
- returning from Bulgaria, Canada, Cyprus, Ireland (Rep.
of), Japan, Romania, USA or United Kingdom after having
used the visa.
NOTE 37998: An expired visa for the USA will be accepted,
provided holding an I-797 notice of an extension
applicable to that visa.
- Conditions: TWOV available, provided passenger:
- holds all travel documents required for entry into
country of destination; and
- is properly ticketed with a confirmed reservation for the
connecting flight:
- within 24 hours, through Frankfurt or Munich; OR
- on the same day between 04:30 and 23:30 through Hamburg;
OR
- on the same day between 04:30 and 23:00 through
Cologne/Bonn; OR
- on the same day between 06:00 and 21:00 through
Dusseldorf (SEE NOTE 40424).
*Note:TWOV is not possible when arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State AND departing to a Schengen
Member State TIRULES/R34
NOTE 40424: Inbound carrier must provide prior notice to
authorities by fax: +49 211 421 20521; tel: +49 211 421
63695 or SITA Telex DUSOVXH.
Additional Information:
- Visitors must hold visible means of support, onward/return
tickets or evidence of continuing journey by other means of
transport and/or other documents required for next
destination.
For details, click here
Warning:
- Non-compliance with the entry/transit requirements (incl.
forged documents and unsigned passports) results in:
For details, click here
Argentina (AR)
Passport required.
- Passport and/or passport replacing documents must be valid
on arrival.
Visa required.
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My Dad is an Indian citizen traveling from DEL to EZE via FRA and back to DEL via SCL-GRU-FRA. He will have visas for Argentina and Chile as we are going there, but it wasn't clear to me if he needed a Schengen/German transit visa.
This is what *A.com's timatic application says. Now my Dad has a 10 year UK visa that goes till 2016, and as I said above he has visas for his destination. Maybe I'm dense, but it's not clear to me from the text below whether he needs a transit visa for Germany or not.
This is what *A.com's timatic application says. Now my Dad has a 10 year UK visa that goes till 2016, and as I said above he has visas for his destination. Maybe I'm dense, but it's not clear to me from the text below whether he needs a transit visa for Germany or not.
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,336
Ahh. I think I know what I was misinterpreting. I was reading the non-Schengen member state bit as "non-Schengen EU member state". I take it the more obvious interpretation was a non-Schengen state.





