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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Could you try following the troubleshooting steps posted above (starting from post #533)?
IE is set to accept cookies......not sure what else?
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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 11:03 am
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Availability varies by Point Of Sale?

Hi -

I use the FULL version of the KVS tool, and I had a question. Today I tried to buy an itinerary in France that showed available seats on KVS, but which my travel agent said was sold out (she was using Amadeus). So I checked again when I came home, and KVS shows availability (on Amadeus). Now in the KVS tool I don't need to choose a Sale City for Amadeus, so I don't think it is that.

Has anyone experienced this? Is there something I am doing wrong in my search? Or are there just fewer seats available for France?

The search is on Amadeus, "All Airlines":
FDF --> POS outbound 25 Nov 2005 (the sold-out flight is LI 1807/TX 807, FDF --> SLU), inbound POS --> FDF 5 Dec 2005 (there is availability).

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks
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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by portiaeliot
The search is on Amadeus, "All Airlines":
FDF --> POS outbound 25 Nov 2005 (the sold-out flight is LI 1807/TX 807, FDF --> SLU), inbound POS --> FDF 5 Dec 2005 (there is availability).
I somewhat doubt that an airline like LI/TX would play with availability based on the POS. Also, I just checked, and there does not seem to be any availability for your return flight:

[KVS Availability Tool - Amadeus: AUA]
Code:
SLU  St Lucia Metro / St Lucia Vigie LC = SLU UVF [TLPC]
FDF  Ft De France Lamentin MQ [TFFF]
MON  05 Dec 2005

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- ------------
LI/TX     1808   SLU  17:40     FDF  18:00     D28  0  Y0 B0 Q0
LI/TX     1810   SLU  19:25     FDF  19:45     D28  0  Y0 B0 Q0
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Old Oct 23, 2005 | 3:44 am
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KVS, please check your Pvt Msg's..I msg'd you and I'm waiting for the reg code

Hi KVS,

Sorry to bother you but can you pls check your pvt msg and msg me back with the registration code for system #12284. Thanks.

Best Regards,
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 9:59 am
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KVS, problem registering through Amazon

Hi I sent you a PM on this, serail number is 1946877951
Thanks!
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 12:29 am
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hi
i get this in amazon 4 upgrade

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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 4:27 pm
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asimha, fly2waleed: YGPM.

Originally Posted by alect
IE is set to accept cookies......not sure what else?
Try the large [FARES] button at the top of the screen -- does that bring-up fares in USD?
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 9:18 pm
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i get this in amazon 4 upgrade

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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 9:34 pm
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Originally Posted by fly2waleed
hi
i get this in amazon 4 upgrade

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#1 i had the same problem-----amazon system not working for kvs right now, try one of the other methods. i just did moneybookers over the weekend and im now enjoying full access!

#2 ? for kvs.....i scanned the posts; am i able to pull CO pnr's via the tool? so far no luck!

thanks, great software for award availability checks!
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by fool4miles
#2 ? for kvs.....i scanned the posts; am i able to pull CO pnr's via the tool? so far no luck!
If you can't access CO PNRs via Amadeus, it means that CO is blocking them from being viewed... However, if you make a booking through a TA (that uses any of the 4/5 major GDSs), you would then be able to see it.
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 6:34 pm
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Lightbulb Award Classes for American Airlines

Originally Posted by ricktoronto
Well in reality J and F are full fare J and F and are not the classes that people want to use e.g. nobody wants to do AAnytime awards at double the tariff. I have to say that you did say and quoted yourself that the "upgrade classes" are in green. Unless someone has C, T, U, A, R and X you haven't got the straight dope, albeit this service is free.

Sorry guys, the whole thing is confusing for me...

Which classes are being used by AA for Award tickets in

Economy
Business
First

Is there maybe an overview of booking classes for AWARDS used by the most airlines (i.e. AA, LX, LH, LO etc)? Sorry, I didn't find it


Is there a way to look up the availability in the KVS tool?

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Old Oct 27, 2005 | 3:46 pm
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Lightbulb Award/Upgrade Booking Classes

Originally Posted by Michael Tantini
Is there maybe an overview of booking classes for AWARDS used by the most airlines (i.e. AA, LX, LH, LO etc)? Sorry, I didn't find it
There are listings of booking classes that the Tool can display for a number of carriers and it is located in KVS Tool FAQ Part 2 under "Classes Displayed By Airline": http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...74&postcount=2

If you click on the [AA] link within that post, it will take you to a chart of booking classes displayed for AA. Within that chart, there will also be a link that says [AA award/upgrade classes].

For all *A member airlines, there is a 'sticky' in the *A Forum that lists award/upgrade classes for each *A airline. For other airlines, you would need to check the corresponding forum.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 3:33 am
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How come results from KVS tool and expertflyer are different regarding availability?

I just noticed that the figures for availablity are different between KVS tool and expertflyer. eg, I was searching HKG-SYD for Nov 2nd on Cathay Pacific and the results for both business and first class are different. How is that?
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
I just noticed that the figures for availablity are different between KVS tool and expertflyer. eg, I was searching HKG-SYD for Nov 2nd on Cathay Pacific and the results for both business and first class are different. How is that?
The two tools access different GDS systems and through different means. ExpertFlyer access it's GDS's directly under contract. Also, different GDS's will load the same inventories with different maximums indicated. Sometimes it is 9, sometimes 7, sometimes 4. Another variable is how often the airline updates the data it loads into a GDS. Some airlines, like AA, are realtime in Sabre and any changes are reflected virtually instantly.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
I just noticed that the figures for availablity are different between KVS tool and expertflyer. eg, I was searching HKG-SYD for Nov 2nd on Cathay Pacific and the results for both business and first class are different. How is that?
First of all, see the FAQ at the top of the thread for some possible explanations. Also, as can be seen from the results below, Apollo, Amadeus & Sabre results match. ITN/WorldSpan results should be ignored when they are inconsistent with the data from other methods. Lastly, ITN/Sabre results should match what you are getting in ExpertFlyer. Is that not the case?

[KVS Availability Tool - Apollo: ITN/CWT/US-NY]
Code:
Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------------------
CX        139    HKG  09:00     SYD  21:00     333  0  F4 A4 J4 C4 D4 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
CX        111    HKG  19:15     SYD  07:20 +1  333  0  F4 A4 J6 C6 D6 I5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
CX        101    HKG  23:45     SYD  11:55 +1  343  0  F1 A1 J8 C8 D8 I7 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
[KVS Availability Tool - Amadeus: AUA]
Code:
Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------------------
CX        139    HKG  09:00     SYD  21:00     333  0  F4 A4 J4 C4 D4 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
CX        111    HKG  19:15     SYD  07:20 +1  333  0  F4 A4 J6 C6 D6 I5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
CX        101    HKG  23:45     SYD  11:55 +1  343  0  F1 A1 J8 C8 D8 I7 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
[KVS Availability Tool - Sabre: ITN/AXP]
Code:
Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -----------------------------------------
CX        139    HKG  09:00     SYD  21:00     333  0  F4 A4 J4 C4 D4 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
CX        111    HKG  19:15     SYD  07:20 +1  333  0  F4 A4 J6 C6 D6 I5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
CX        101    HKG  23:45     SYD  11:55 +1  343  0  F1 A1 J8 C8 D8 I7 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
[KVS Availability Tool - Worldspan: ITN/CWT/US-LA]
Code:
Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -----------------------------------------------
CX        139    HKG  09:00     SYD  21:00     333  0  F4 A4 J0 C0 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 S9 V9 N9 Q9
CX        111    HKG  19:15     SYD  07:20 +1  333  0  F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 S9 V9 N9 Q9
CX        101    HKG  23:45     SYD  11:55 +1  343  0  F0 A0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 S9 V9 N9 Q9
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