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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
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https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Apr 19, 2010 | 5:24 pm

#3151

KVS

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Originally Posted by zman

What reservation system does CZ and CX use that only use five digits?

Those are probably not the actual PNR locator codes, but just order reference numbers ...

Apr 21, 2010 | 6:15 am

#3152

acquiescefc

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: Ireland

Posts: 135

ok ive applied to use this, not really sure if ill know what im doing but hey...desperation has set in.

was due to fly DUB-ORD today on a 20k award, that was cancelled and ive been auto moved to 28th ( a week later).

It totally screws my plans up but if i could get on an earlier flight say friday/saturday i could have my holiday minus a coupla days.

Can anyone using this tool tell me if there would be any spare seats on AA93 for 22/23/24 APril and i could use info to call AA and beg/cry?

Apr 21, 2010 | 11:42 am

#3153

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Location: PSM

Posts: 69,232

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Originally Posted by acquiescefc

Can anyone using this tool tell me if there would be any spare seats on AA93 for 22/23/24 APril and i could use info to call AA and beg/cry?

If all you're going to do is call and beg anyways does it really matter what the inventory is? Beyond that, are you hoping for reward inventory to miraculously appear on a specific flight via a search tool that queries a source comparable to (albeit not exactly the same as) that which the AA agents have?

Apr 21, 2010 | 12:15 pm

#3154

acquiescefc

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: Ireland

Posts: 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbm12

sorry ive gone through a week of will i/wont i due to this poxy volcano and was hoping for some guidance from the experts out of sheer desperation.

it seems im magically sorted now tho so sorry if ive stepped on toes.

Apr 21, 2010 | 3:50 pm

#3155

sbm12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by acquiescefc

sorry ive gone through a week of will i/wont i due to this poxy volcano and was hoping for some guidance from the experts out of sheer desperation.

The guidance is to call the airline and beg at that point, which it seems you did and it seems that a seat opened up earlier.

All these tools are pretty good for doing research but they do not make things magically appear.

Apr 21, 2010 | 9:31 pm

#3156

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Quote:

Originally Posted by acquiescefc

No need to apologize. Actually, you were on the right track with your OP. Please don't let the misguided "guidance" above discourage you.

As many current KVS Tool members will attest to, having access to availability is often invaluable in irregular ops. situations.

Please refer to http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...l#post11971225 for AA-specific info.

Apr 22, 2010 | 4:25 am

#3157

gleff

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Originally Posted by KVS

As many current KVS Tool members will attest to, having access to availability is often invaluable in irregular ops. situations.

Indeed, there's no question that this software paid for itself for me several times over (1) during the February DC snowstorms, (2) during the recent volcanic ash, (3) when I booked my recent oneworld F award.

Apr 22, 2010 | 1:10 pm

#3158

bitnapper

Join Date: Mar 2005

Location: Germany

Posts: 58

Is there any information about problems concerning award availabilty with NZ? I can´t find a single seat on all routes.

Apr 23, 2010 | 3:40 am

#3159

ArizonaGuy

Join Date: Sep 2007

Location: Purgatory

Programs: Too many to list. Status is a half dozen.

Posts: 9,236

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitnapper

Is there any information about problems concerning award availabilty with NZ? I can´t find a single seat on all routes.

Agreed. And it's showing F with 0 availability, as opposed to the class being unavailable on long haul routes which of course it is on NZ. It's ANA's site that's doing this, I don't think it has anything to do with KVS. Kind of aggravating actually.

Apr 23, 2010 | 4:37 pm

#3160

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bitnapper

Is there any information about problems concerning award availabilty with NZ? I can´t find a single seat on all routes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArizonaGuy

Agreed. And it's showing F with 0 availability, as opposed to the class being unavailable on long haul routes which of course it is on NZ.

There have, indeed, been reports regarding issues with NZ award availability (incl. availability displayed via the KVS Tool, and availability as seen by agents of other *A member carriers). These problems appear to be on NZ's end ...

Apr 26, 2010 | 5:27 pm

#3161

exwannabe

Join Date: Jun 2004

Location: ATL

Programs: Delta 1MM, Gold, Peon

Posts: 6,392

1) Are DL Asian segments supposed to show with Apollo/ITN? I seam to only find them with Sabre/GTC and do not know if this is a case of "it is what it is" or I am ignorant here.

Example: DL 296 BKK->NRT Jun 13; V5.4.3/Plat ;

2) On DL Z inventory, I do understand it's not in the tool. My questions are:

A) Any chance in the future (Is it a feed issue, or something you just haven't implemented yet)? This would be the most useful enhancement for us DL captives.

B) Are there any proxy's that people have found to indicate Z has, or might have, gone non-0?

Nice tool by the way. Runs fairly smoothly under Ubuntu/Wine.

Apr 26, 2010 | 7:10 pm

#3162

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Originally Posted by exwannabe

Please see http://FAQ.KVSTool.com for a solution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by exwannabe

2) On DL Z inventory, I do understand it's not in the tool. My questions are:

A) Any chance in the future (Is it a feed issue, or something you just haven't implemented yet)? This would be the most useful enhancement for us DL captives.

At the moment, there are no sources available for DL upgrade data.

Quote:

Originally Posted by exwannabe

B) Are there any proxy's that people have found to indicate Z has, or might have, gone non-0?

Looking at the lowest shown business cabin booking class (i.e. I) should be helpful, since Z would usually be a subset of that class.

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Originally Posted by exwannabe

Nice tool by the way. Runs fairly smoothly under Ubuntu/Wine.

That's always great to hear -- enjoy!

Apr 27, 2010 | 6:23 am

#3163

exwannabe

Join Date: Jun 2004

Location: ATL

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Posts: 6,392

Thanks, it was a 5:40AM flight so putting in the time brought it up. I was so hung up on it being an ex-NWA intra-Asian that I didn't think of that. Sorry for the RTFM Q

I'll play around with that I hint for guessing when Z gets released. Not perfect, but certainly beats waiting for DL to re-implement the nwa.com award upgrade function.

Apr 28, 2010 | 9:39 am

#3164

chovaz

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Posts: 277

Can anyone help explain something from KVS availability? Looking at flights for today MSP-BUF, UA shows very little availability. Especially looking at flight UA7640 at 12:26pm.
[KVS Availability Tool 5.4.3/Diamond - WSpan: Availability/ITN/US-WOT]

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MSP  Minneapolis St Paul Int'l MN US [KMSP]
BUF  Buffalo Gtr Buffalo Int'l NY US [KBUF]
WED  28 Apr 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------
UA         786     MSP   11:02     ORD   12:23     319  0   F0 Y5 B5 M5 E4 U4 H9 Q9 V7 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     794     ORD   13:50     BUF   16:19     319  0   F2 Y5 B5 M5 E4 U4 H9 Q9 V7 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A2
UA         1935    MSP   13:05     PHL   16:42     319  0   F0 Y9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 G9 A0
 -> UA     1635    PHL   20:30     BUF   21:43     319  0   F1 Y9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 G9 A1
UA         1581    MSP   10:20     CLT   13:51     319  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     1814    CLT   16:35     BUF   18:26     734  0   F2 Y7 B7 M7 E7 U7 H7 Q6 V5 W4 S4 T3 L3 K3 G6 A2
UA         7640    MSP   12:26     ORD   13:45     E70  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     7158    ORD   16:55     BUF   19:23     CR7  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         586     MSP   13:55     ORD   15:16     320  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     7158    ORD   16:55     BUF   19:23     CR7  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         586     MSP   13:55     ORD   15:16     320  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     246     ORD   19:21     BUF   22:06     320  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         7729    MSP   14:29     ORD   15:48     E70  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     7158    ORD   16:55     BUF   19:23     CR7  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         7729    MSP   14:29     ORD   15:48     E70  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     246     ORD   19:21     BUF   22:06     320  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         438     MSP   15:15     ORD   16:41     320  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     246     ORD   19:21     BUF   22:06     320  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         7733    MSP   16:57     ORD   18:20     E70  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
 -> UA     246     ORD   19:21     BUF   22:06     320  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0

However, if you look at MSP-ORD, that flight does in fact show availability.

[KVS Availability Tool 5.4.3/Diamond - WSpan: Availability/ITN/US-WOT]

Code:

MSP  Minneapolis St Paul Int'l MN US [KMSP]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Int'l IL US [KORD]
WED  28 Apr 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------
UA         786     MSP   11:02     ORD   12:23     319  0   F0 Y5 B5 M5 E4 U4 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         7640    MSP   12:26     ORD   13:45     E70  0   F0 Y9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S8 T6 L6 K6 G6 A0
UA         586     MSP   13:55     ORD   15:16     320  0   F0 Y9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 G9 A0
UA         7729    MSP   14:29     ORD   15:48     E70  0   F0 Y9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         438     MSP   15:15     ORD   16:41     320  0   F0 Y9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         7733    MSP   16:57     ORD   18:20     E70  0   F0 Y6 B6 M6 E4 U4 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0
UA         155     MSP   17:28     ORD   18:54     320  0   F1 Y5 B5 M5 E4 U4 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A1
UA         7610    MSP   18:47     ORD   20:16     E70  0   F1 Y2 B2 M2 E2 U2 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A1
UA         7655    MSP   19:32     ORD   21:00     E70  0   F0 Y0 B0 M0 E0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 A0

Now granted, there are no flights available from ORD-BUF, which it is showing as 0 correctly, but why show 0's from MSP-ORD on the MSP-BUF search?

My first thought was that maybe if there were not seats on both flights it wouldn't show availability on either of them but that is clearly not the case looking at the combination of UA1581/UA1814 in the first set of data.

Can anyone shed some light on this? I guess at least I know I need to check each segment individually but it seems strange that it would show up this way.

Thanks

Apr 28, 2010 | 2:27 pm

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trek87

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chovaz

I don't know much about the KVS tool, but this seems to be consistent with the way I would expect airline reservation systems to work. On the airline's website, if you're trying to book AAA-BBB-CCC and all of the seats from BBB-CCC are gone, the website would tell you (unless there was a direct option or the search engine finds you an alternate routing) AAA-CCC is unavailable, even if you could get from AAA-BBB.