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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
...
D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:

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Dec 14, 2008, 6:18 am

#2296

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum

Posts: 9,580

All the search functions on your KVS tool will not bring up information on YOW-AGP. The aircanada.ca web site does not bring it up either. However, other web sites (eg travelocity) do bring up such infromation.

Dec 14, 2008, 6:26 am

#2297

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum

Posts: 9,580

Does the KVS tool display various pricing information and routing information for Star Alliance passes (RTW, others)?

Dec 14, 2008, 6:29 am

#2298

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum

Posts: 9,580

Does the fare function truly show availability?

Example:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/IT]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
AGP  Malaga ES [LEMG]
SAT  14 Mar 2009 / SUN  22 Mar 2009 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
LX        LHR    AGP       35   CAD                      TSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP       84   CAD                      LSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      162   CAD                      VSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      305   CAD                      KSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      327   CAD                      QSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      422   CAD                      GSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      543   CAD                      HSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      718   CAD                      MSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      913   CAD                      BSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP     1721   CAD                      YSWISSUK

When I go to the ITA web site or the LX web site, the cheapest fare is V class for those dates - even then, the fare is CAN$336 dollars total (implying taxes/fees are $200).

Dec 14, 2008, 6:34 am

#2299

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum

Posts: 9,580

When I look for business class rates on Air NZ on several routes, on several dates, I can get only the list of economy class fares. Note- this same list comes up separately when I enter economy class, business class, or first class (of course, I realize Air NZ does not offer first class cabins).

Example:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/IT]

Code:

YVR  Vancouver Metro / Vancouver Int'l BC CA = CXH YVR [CYVR]
AKL  Auckland Int'l NZ [NZAA]
WED  24 Jun 2009 / WED  22 Jul 2009 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
NZ        YVR    AKL     1208   CAD                      KNZ11C
NZ        YVR    AKL     1408   CAD                      GNZ10C
NZ        YVR    AKL     1608   CAD                      SNZ10C
NZ        YVR    AKL     1868   CAD                      W3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     1988   CAD                      V3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     2268   CAD                      Q3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     2408   CAD                      H3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     2420   CAD                      W3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     2576   CAD                      V3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     2878   CAD                      M3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     2940   CAD                      Q3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     3122   CAD                      H3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     3538   CAD                      B3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     3732   CAD                      M3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     3930   CAD                      O3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     4028   CAD                      Y3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     4430   CAD                      E3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     4590   CAD                      B3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     5030   CAD                      U3C
NZ        YVR    AKL     5100   CAD                      O3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     5228   CAD                      Y3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     5750   CAD                      E3COW
NZ        YVR    AKL     6400   CAD                      Y
NZ        YVR    AKL     6530   CAD                      U3COW

Dec 14, 2008, 12:38 pm

#2300

PreferBulkhead

Join Date: Dec 2002

Location: YYZ at this time

Programs: ACMM / Altitude S100K / HH Diamond

Posts: 6,285

Are you looking for this type of information?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

1. For several fare searches on your tool - AC business class fares show only J class fares. There are discounted business class fares listed on the AC web site.

Example:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/IT]

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Metro / Ottawa Int'l ON CA = YOW [CYOW]
ZRH  Zurich CH [LSZH]
SAT  14 Mar 2009 / SUN  22 Mar 2009 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AC        YOW    ZRH     9704   CAD                      J
AC        YOW    ZRH     8107   CAD                      JR

Dec 14, 2008, 12:40 pm

#2301

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Metro / Ottawa Int'l ON CA = YOW [CYOW]
ZRH  Zurich CH [LSZH]
SAT  14 Mar 2009 / SUN  22 Mar 2009 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AC        YOW    ZRH     9704   CAD                      J
AC        YOW    ZRH     8107   CAD                      JR

It is a known issue with DotRes. You should use TVN with the Max option to see those fares:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.3/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Metro / Ottawa Int'l ON CA = YOW [CYOW]
ZRH  Zurich CH [LSZH]
RT   Dec-Nov

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AC        YOW    ZRH      455   USD            Sun  12M  N0MSLGT
AC        YOW    ZRH      496   USD            Sun  12M  N0MVSWT
AC        YOW    ZRH      572   USD            Sun  12M  N0MSKGT
AC        YOW    ZRH      682   USD            Sun  12M  K0MVSWT
AC        YOW    ZRH      757   USD            ***  12M  A0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH      801   USD            ***  12M  L0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     1022   USD            ***  12M  Q0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     1050   USD            Sun  12M  N0MSHGT
AC        YOW    ZRH     1132   USD            ***  12M  V0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     1277   USD            ***  12M  H0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     1404   USD            ***  12M  H0MVSWP
AC        YOW    ZRH     1498   USD            ***  12M  B0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     1647   USD            ***  12M  B0MVSWP
AC        YOW    ZRH     1718   USD            ***  12M  U0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     1992   USD            ***  12M  M0MVSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     2389   USD                 12M  M0M0SW
AC        YOW    ZRH     2597   USD  12 Jan              Z0M0CT
AC        YOW    ZRH     3346   USD            Sun  12M  Z30MSSW
AC        YOW    ZRH     4096   USD              3  12M  Z0M3SW
AC        YOW    ZRH     4778   USD                 12M  C0M0SW
AC        YOW    ZRH     5999   USD                      Y
AC        YOW    ZRH     6508   USD                      JR
AC        YOW    ZRH     7789   USD                      J

Dec 14, 2008, 12:42 pm

#2302

PreferBulkhead

Join Date: Dec 2002

Location: YYZ at this time

Programs: ACMM / Altitude S100K / HH Diamond

Posts: 6,285

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Do you have a particular date in mind? Here for instance is sample from Jan 4 2009:

Dec 14, 2008, 12:42 pm

#2303

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Original Poster

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Why not?

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.3/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Metro / Ottawa Int'l ON CA = YOW [CYOW]
AGP  Malaga ES [LEMG]
RT   Dec-Nov

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AC        YOW    AGP      504   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLXGT
AC        YOW    AGP      504   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLXST
AC        YOW    AGP      569   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLWGT
AC        YOW    AGP      569   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLWST
AC        YOW    AGP      573   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP      582   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSKXGT
AC        YOW    AGP      637   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP      646   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSKWGT
AC        YOW    AGP      693   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP      726   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP      757   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP      790   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP      833   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSHXGT
AC        YOW    AGP      846   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP      853   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP      897   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSHWGT
AC        YOW    AGP      910   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP      917   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP      971   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSHXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1006   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1014   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1035   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSHWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1067   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSPXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1071   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1078   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1091   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSHXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1131   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSPWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1156   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSHWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1167   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1200   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSPXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1231   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1252   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSHXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1264   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSPWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1316   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSHWES

Dec 14, 2008, 12:47 pm

#2304

KVS

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Does the KVS tool display various pricing information and routing information for Star Alliance passes (RTW, others)?

It used to in the past, but this functionality is not currently available.

Dec 14, 2008, 12:48 pm

#2305

KVS

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Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Thanks for the report -- I will look into this issue...

Dec 14, 2008, 12:53 pm

#2306

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Does the fare function truly show availability?

Example:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/IT]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
AGP  Malaga ES [LEMG]
SAT  14 Mar 2009 / SUN  22 Mar 2009 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
LX        LHR    AGP       35   CAD                      TSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP       84   CAD                      LSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      162   CAD                      VSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      305   CAD                      KSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      327   CAD                      QSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      422   CAD                      GSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      543   CAD                      HSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      718   CAD                      MSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP      913   CAD                      BSWISSUK
LX        LHR    AGP     1721   CAD                      YSWISSUK

When I go to the ITA web site or the LX web site, the cheapest fare is V class for those dates - even then, the fare is CAN$336 dollars total (implying taxes/fees are $200).

That is correct. The fare is 163 CAD + 213 CAD in surcharges (65 EUR) & taxes.

Dec 14, 2008, 2:08 pm

#2307

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Why not?

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.3/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Metro / Ottawa Int'l ON CA = YOW [CYOW]
AGP  Malaga ES [LEMG]
RT   Dec-Nov

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AC        YOW    AGP      504   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLXGT
AC        YOW    AGP      504   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLXST
AC        YOW    AGP      569   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLWGT
AC        YOW    AGP      569   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSLWST
AC        YOW    AGP      573   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP      582   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSKXGT
AC        YOW    AGP      637   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP      646   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSKWGT
AC        YOW    AGP      693   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP      726   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP      757   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP      790   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP      833   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSHXGT
AC        YOW    AGP      846   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP      853   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP      897   USD            Sun  12M  K0MSHWGT
AC        YOW    AGP      910   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP      917   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP      971   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSHXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1006   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1014   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSLXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1035   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSHWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1067   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSPXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1071   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1078   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSLWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1091   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSHXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1131   USD            Sun  12M  L0MSPWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1156   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSHWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1167   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSKXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1200   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSPXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1231   USD            Sun  12M  H0MSKWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1252   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSHXES
AC        YOW    AGP     1264   USD            Sun  12M  Q0MSPWES
AC        YOW    AGP     1316   USD            Sun  12M  V0MSHWES

Thanks, to KVS and PreferBulkhead for the information.

Dec 14, 2008, 2:22 pm

#2308

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

That is correct. The fare is 163 CAD + 213 CAD in surcharges (65 EUR) & taxes.

Then why does your tool list the 2 cheaper fares, when they are not available?

Dec 14, 2008, 4:17 pm

#2309

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Then why does your tool list the 2 cheaper fares, when they are not available?

Because you have used the Fares function. To request availability, you need to use one of the Availability Methods. Pls see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Using for a step-by-step trip planning guide.

Dec 21, 2008, 1:48 pm

#2310

apirchik

Join Date: May 2000

Location: Kfar Saba, Israel

Posts: 4,172

What's up with the credit card contributions?

My license expires Dec 31st and I want to make a new contribution but I can't send cash from Israel. What are my options?