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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:

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Oct 15, 2008, 10:32 am

#2176

seanburke

Join Date: Dec 2005

Location: St. John's, NL

Programs: Marriott Gold Elite, Avis President's Club, National Executive

Posts: 36

Thanks

Ok, so Flight Passes might be a good option.

Thanks for the info

Oct 17, 2008, 12:02 pm

#2177

zman

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 5,630

Problem retrieving AA fares using Fares/ZUJ

When trying to retreive AA fares using Fares/ZUJ (forced to HK) get error message
"Unable to retrieve Fares" ZUJI Hong Kong

Also is there any way to look up booking class availabilty of X and R for AA?

Oct 17, 2008, 12:05 pm

#2178

Blank Sheet

Join Date: Feb 2003

Location: Cincinnati, OH

Programs: NW-PE, Blue Star SeaSmiles

Posts: 6,789

Answered below

Oct 17, 2008, 12:06 pm

#2179

SuperFlyBoy

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: BOM-SIN-EWR

Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat

Posts: 8,606

Quote:

Originally Posted by zman

When trying to retreive AA fares using Fares/ZUJ (forced to HK) get error message
"Unable to retrieve Fares" ZUJI Hong Kong

You have the old version - upgrade to 3.3.1 - Zuji is not present any longer in the new version.

Oct 17, 2008, 12:15 pm

#2180

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Original Poster

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by zman

Also is there any way to look up booking class availabilty of X and R for AA?

No -- pls see http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php#Classes for currently-supported classes.

Oct 17, 2008, 12:19 pm

#2181

zman

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 5,630

[QUOTE=zman;10536386]When trying to retreive AA fares using Fares/ZUJ (forced to HK) get error message
"Unable to retrieve Fares" ZUJI Hong Kong

I missed the 3.3.1 upgrade notice
New Fares/ZVN with POS CA works

Oct 17, 2008, 12:24 pm

#2182

zman

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 5,630

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

No -- pls see http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php#Classes for currently-supported classes.

I am aware.
Looking for a future enhancement capability.

Oct 17, 2008, 3:33 pm

#2183

delanotre

Join Date: Oct 2006

Location: Paris, France

Programs: Flying Blue (LTPE) All (Gold)

Posts: 1,519

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

RTW fares are not currently supported.

I am very disappointed by this new version to find fares:
When I try to find the fares (Fares/TVN) on PAR TLV with AF, all the economic fares are not displayed (no R no B no S) and no business fare at all!
These booking classes are shown on ITN but you can't find the fare...
Hope you will adjust this issue...

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

Code:

PAR  Paris Metro FR = BVA CDG ORY
TLV  Tel Aviv Yafo Metro / Tel Aviv Yafo Ben Gurion Int'l IL = SDV TLV [LLBG]
RT   Oct-Sep

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AF        PAR    TLV      343   EUR            Sun  ***  NLWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      344   EUR            ***   14  NLAP30
AF        PAR    TLV      396   EUR            Sun  ***  NKWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      397   EUR            ***   14  NKAP30
AF        PAR    TLV      401   EUR            Sun  ***  ELWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      403   EUR            ***   1M  ELAP21
AF        PAR    TLV      454   EUR            Sun  ***  EKWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      456   EUR            ***   1M  EKAP21
AF        PAR    TLV      459   EUR            Sun  ***  NHWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      459   EUR            Sun  ***  WLWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      460   EUR            ***   14  NHAP30
AF        PAR    TLV      460   EUR            Sun   1M  WLAP14
AF        PAR    TLV      513   EUR            Sun  ***  WKWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      514   EUR            Sun   1M  WKAP14
AF        PAR    TLV      518   EUR            Sun  ***  EHWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      519   EUR            ***   1M  EHAP21
AF        PAR    TLV      530   EUR            Sun   1M  QLAP7
AF        PAR    TLV      576   EUR            Sun  ***  WHWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      577   EUR            Sun   1M  WHAP14
AF        PAR    TLV      582   EUR            Sun   1M  QKAP7
AF        PAR    TLV      599   EUR            Sun   1M  QLSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      645   EUR            Sun   1M  QHAP7
AF        PAR    TLV      650   EUR            Sun   2M  MLSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      652   EUR            Sun   1M  QKSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      706   EUR            Sun   2M  MKSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      716   EUR            Sun   1M  QHSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      760   EUR            Sun   3M  KLPX0
AF        PAR    TLV      770   EUR            Sun   2M  MHSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      815   EUR            Sun   3M  KKPX0
AF        PAR    TLV      879   EUR            Sun   3M  KHPX0

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

Code:

PAR  Paris Metro FR = BVA CDG ORY
TLV  Tel Aviv Yafo Metro / Tel Aviv Yafo Ben Gurion Int'l IL = SDV TLV [LLBG]
LUN  22 déc 2008

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- 
AF        1620   CDG  11:30     TLV  16:55     320  0    C9 D9 Z7 F1 Y9 S9 B8 R0 K0 V0 L0 U0 M0 H0 Q0 A0 W0 T0 E0 N0
AF        2220   CDG  18:45     TLV  00:10 +1  320  0    C9 D9 Z9 F1 Y9 S9 B9 R0 K0 V0 L0 U0 M0 H0 Q0 A0 W0 T0 E0 N0

Oct 17, 2008, 3:55 pm

#2184

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by delanotre

When I try to find the fares (Fares/TVN) on PAR TLV with AF, all the economic fares are not displayed (no R no B no S)

Those fares will be displayed if you activate the [Max] option:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

Code:

PAR  Paris Metro FR = BVA CDG ORY
TLV  Tel Aviv Yafo Metro / Tel Aviv Yafo Ben Gurion Int'l IL = SDV TLV [LLBG]
RT   Oct-Sep

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AF        PAR    TLV      460   USD            Sun  ***  NLWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      462   USD            ***   14  NLAP30
AF        PAR    TLV      531   USD            Sun  ***  NKWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      532   USD            ***   14  NKAP30
AF        PAR    TLV      537   USD            Sun  ***  ELWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      540   USD            ***   1M  ELAP21
AF        PAR    TLV      609   USD            Sun  ***  EKWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      611   USD            ***   1M  EKAP21
AF        PAR    TLV      616   USD            Sun  ***  NHWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      616   USD            Sun  ***  WLWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      617   USD            Sun   1M  WLAP14
AF        PAR    TLV      617   USD            ***   14  NHAP30
AF        PAR    TLV      687   USD            Sun  ***  WKWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      689   USD            Sun   1M  WKAP14
AF        PAR    TLV      694   USD            Sun  ***  EHWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      696   USD            ***   1M  EHAP21
AF        PAR    TLV      710   USD            Sun   1M  QLAP7
AF        PAR    TLV      773   USD            Sun  ***  WHWKEND
AF        PAR    TLV      774   USD            Sun   1M  WHAP14
AF        PAR    TLV      781   USD            Sun   1M  QKAP7
AF        PAR    TLV      803   USD            Sun   1M  QLSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      865   USD            Sun   1M  QHAP7
AF        PAR    TLV      872   USD            Sun   2M  MLSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      875   USD            Sun   1M  QKSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      947   USD            Sun   2M  MKSX0
AF        PAR    TLV      960   USD            Sun   1M  QHSX0
AF        PAR    TLV     1020   USD            Sun   3M  KLPX0
AF        PAR    TLV     1033   USD            Sun   2M  MHSX0
AF        PAR    TLV     1092   USD            Sun   3M  KKPX0
AF        PAR    TLV     1179   USD            Sun   3M  KHPX0
AF        PAR    TLV     1387   USD                 12M  RWEEK
AF        PAR    TLV     1586   USD            Sun   3M  SEE3M
AF        PAR    TLV     1826   USD                 12M  S
YY        PAR    TLV     1986   USD                      YIF

Oct 17, 2008, 4:35 pm

#2185

delanotre

Join Date: Oct 2006

Location: Paris, France

Programs: Flying Blue (LTPE) All (Gold)

Posts: 1,519

Thanks but what about biz fares?

Oct 17, 2008, 8:33 pm

#2186

zman

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 5,630

New Fares/TVN not listing all fares

Fares/TVN will not list all fares even if checking off max
It will not list all the coach fares, no business and no first in many cases.

An example asing for max:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

BOS Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
TPE Taipei Chiang Kai Shek TW [RCTP]
RT Oct-Sep

Carrier From To Fare Cur Expiry Min Max Fare Basis
AA BOS TPE 942 USD 6 6M WLXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 990 USD 6 6M WLWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1077 USD 6 6M MLXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1082 USD 6 6M WKXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1126 USD 6 6M MLWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1131 USD 6 6M WKWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1228 USD 6 6M WHXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1277 USD 6 6M MKXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1297 USD 6 6M WHWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1345 USD 6 6M MKWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1423 USD 6 6M MHXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1499 USD 6 6M HLXRTCX
AA BOS TPE 1520 USD 6 6M MHWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1558 USD 6 6M HLWRTCX
AA BOS TPE 1651 USD 6 6M KLXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1735 USD HLOWCX
AA BOS TPE 1769 USD 6 6M KLWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1860 USD 6 6M KKXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1978 USD 6 6M KKWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 2102 USD 4 12M KLXS
AA BOS TPE 2142 USD 6 6M KHXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 2220 USD 4 12M KLS
AA BOS TPE 2255 USD 6 6M HKXRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2259 USD 6 6M KHWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 2305 USD 12M BLEX
AA BOS TPE 2320 USD 4 12M KKXS
AA BOS TPE 2326 USD 6 6M HKWRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2425 USD 6 6M HHXRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2446 USD 4 12M KKS
AA BOS TPE 2495 USD 6 6M HHWRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2526 USD 4 12M KHXS
AA BOS TPE 2642 USD 12M BHEX

Oct 17, 2008, 10:33 pm

#2187

jarusoba

Join Date: May 2007

Location: YYZ, but my heart is in Asia

Programs: AC-SE, CX-DM, DL-G, Hyatt-DM, Hilton-DM, Fairmont-Plt, Marriott-S, Accor-Plt, SPG-G, IHG-Plt

Posts: 4,396

Why is there a discrepancy in the fare?

I was looking at the U fare of AC PVG-YYZ return. All in Canadian dollars, departing Apr 13, 09, returning May 14, 09.

KVS gave the following results:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]

Code:

PVG  Shanghai PuDong CN [ZSPD]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
MON  13 Apr 2009 / THU  14 May 2009 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
AC        PVG    YYZ     1292   CAD                      QLXCNCA
AC        PVG    YYZ     1479   CAD                      VLXCNCA
AC        PVG    YYZ     1666   CAD                      HLXCNCA
AC        PVG    YYZ     2102   CAD                      BLXCNCA
AC        PVG    YYZ     2265   CAD                      ULXCNCA
AC        PVG    YYZ     2571   CAD                      MLXCNCA
AC        PVG    YYZ     4862   CAD                      YX2RAC

However, in the AC website, when I punched in the dates, I get this result:

Code:

Review your itinerary
Flight
	
From
	
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	Date 	Depart 	Arrive 	Stops 	Aircraft 	Fare
Type
AC026
	
Shanghai, Pu Dong (PVG)
	
Toronto, Pearson Int'l (YYZ)
	Mon Apr-13 	15:45 	21:30
	1 /YVR1 	763 	Economy (flexible) U
AC087
	
Toronto, Pearson Int'l (YYZ)
	
Shanghai, Pu Dong (PVG)
	Thu May-14 	13:00 	15:20
+1 day 	0 	77L 	Economy (flexible) U
1Vancouver

Review final quote details Fare Summary
Passenger Type 	Adult
Base Fare (ULXCNCA) 	2320.00
Fuel Surcharge YQ 	428.66
Taxes, Fees and Charges
Canada Airport Improvement Fee SQ 	20.00
Air Travellers Security Charge (ATSC) CA 	17.00
China Airport Fee CN 	15.68
Canada Goods and Services Tax (GST/HST #10009-2287) XG 	1.00
Total airfare and taxes before options (per passenger) 	2802.34
Number Of Passengers 	1
Grand Total - Canadian dollars 	$2802.34

I have the U-fare highlighted in Red. Why is there a discrepancy? TIA.

Oct 18, 2008, 2:15 am

#2188

virtualtroy

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More on the fares glitch

A simple search query using the Sabre / TVN option for a r/t business class fare on BD, MANLAS returns only economy fares - even with the max box checked.

Using Fares / DotRes is worse still as this produces the error message that more than one match has been found for the city entered.

However, the system storing ANA membership # and PIN on the *A awards search is a welcome improvement.

Oct 18, 2008, 5:19 am

#2189

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by delanotre

Thanks but what about biz fares?

Quote:

Originally Posted by zman

Fares/TVN will not list all fares even if checking off max
It will not list all the coach fares, no business and no first in many cases.

From http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php#FAQ:

# Q: Does the [Sabre: Fares/TVN] Method support Business/First class fares?
# A: This method will return fares for all cabin classes, sorted by price. When an airline has more fares published on a specific route, only the first 40-100 fares will be shown when using this Method. Try activating the [Max] option, or use the [Sabre: Fares/DotRes] Method instead, where a specific cabin class can be specified.

Oct 18, 2008, 5:34 am

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KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jarusoba

I was looking at the U fare of AC PVG-YYZ return. All in Canadian dollars, departing Apr 13, 09, returning May 14, 09.

KVS gave the following results:

However, in the AC website, when I punched in the dates, I get this result:

I have the U-fare highlighted in Red. Why is there a discrepancy? TIA.

I have just checked, and it appears that AC.com is not calculating the fare correctly:

Fare (A1): AC SHAYTO ULXCNCA fare (rules) CNY 6660
Fare (A2): AC YTOSHA ULXCNCA fare (rules) CNY 6660
Tax: People's Republic of China Airport Fee CNY 90
Tax: AC YQ surcharge $360.00
Tax: Toronto Airport Improvement Fee C$20.00
Tax: Canadian Goods and Services Tax C$1.00
Tax: Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge C$17.00
Total for 1 adult passenger: C$2701.10

Fare construction):
SHA AC YTO 973.88ULXCNCA AC SHA 973.88ULXCNCA NUC 1947.76 END ROE 6.83858 FARE CNY 13320 EQU CAD 2235.00 XT 17.00CA 20.00SQ 1.00XG 15.10CN 413.00YQ