Who is upgrading to Leopard this weekend?
Oct 28, 2007 | 4:48 pm
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Bought a multi-user pack and installed it on 2 MacBook Pros and one new 24-inch iMac; all current Mac models. Relatively quick installation on all the machines ranging from 1:30 hours on the laptops and 2:30 on the iMac.
Also bought a external hard disk designed for the Mac Mini 750GB made by Iomega. Timewrap worked perfectly first time.
I believe we were fortunate to have the latest hardware (as a recent result of the previous hard disk failure on a laptop and on the iMac causing us to get new kit) so the software installation was very straight forwards.
Understand problems are expected on older version of Macs.
Also bought a external hard disk designed for the Mac Mini 750GB made by Iomega. Timewrap worked perfectly first time.
I believe we were fortunate to have the latest hardware (as a recent result of the previous hard disk failure on a laptop and on the iMac causing us to get new kit) so the software installation was very straight forwards.
Understand problems are expected on older version of Macs.
Oct 28, 2007 | 7:51 pm
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Bought a multi-user pack and installed it on 2 MacBook Pros and one new 24-inch iMac; all current Mac models. Relatively quick installation on all the machines ranging from 1:30 hours on the laptops and 2:30 on the iMac.
Also bought a external hard disk designed for the Mac Mini 750GB made by Iomega. Timewrap worked perfectly first time.
I believe we were fortunate to have the latest hardware (as a recent result of the previous hard disk failure on a laptop and on the iMac causing us to get new kit) so the software installation was very straight forwards.
Understand problems are expected on older version of Macs.
Also bought a external hard disk designed for the Mac Mini 750GB made by Iomega. Timewrap worked perfectly first time.
I believe we were fortunate to have the latest hardware (as a recent result of the previous hard disk failure on a laptop and on the iMac causing us to get new kit) so the software installation was very straight forwards.
Understand problems are expected on older version of Macs.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4407195
I am stunned that Apple did not do a better job of ironing out these kinks before release.
Last edited by Droneklax; Oct 28, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Oct 29, 2007 | 7:30 am
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3 days later I am having much better results.
In a nutshell I'd say this, 'upgrade in place' is likely to result in problems. I personally think its a flaw that in 2007 I have to say this: backup your system fully, then do wipe and install. If that makes you skiddish, backup and do an archive and install which should preserve your applications, documents and settings.
Once installed, I'd ballpark that 90% of things work, and work very well. While OS X 10.5 isn't likely to make a huge change in how you use and interact with your computer (something I think a major OS upgrade should do) it is a very solid and worthwile upgrade. I am frankly amazed that for $200 (family pack) you can upgrade all (5) of your computers to something that is a fairly complete system ... compare that to Windows Vista Ultimate at $300-$400 which is far from being as complete as OS X and is only valid (locked) to one PC.
Now that said, its the 10% of things that are broken that may really ruin the experience for some users. Both Parallels and VMware rely on kernel extensions which are likely to be broken (understand VMware has a beta that works with Leopard). My guess is thats is the power users (IE Geeks) who will likely run into the most problems as most day-to-day applications seem to be running quite well.
Thats my weekend-with-Leopard recap
In a nutshell I'd say this, 'upgrade in place' is likely to result in problems. I personally think its a flaw that in 2007 I have to say this: backup your system fully, then do wipe and install. If that makes you skiddish, backup and do an archive and install which should preserve your applications, documents and settings.
Once installed, I'd ballpark that 90% of things work, and work very well. While OS X 10.5 isn't likely to make a huge change in how you use and interact with your computer (something I think a major OS upgrade should do) it is a very solid and worthwile upgrade. I am frankly amazed that for $200 (family pack) you can upgrade all (5) of your computers to something that is a fairly complete system ... compare that to Windows Vista Ultimate at $300-$400 which is far from being as complete as OS X and is only valid (locked) to one PC.
Now that said, its the 10% of things that are broken that may really ruin the experience for some users. Both Parallels and VMware rely on kernel extensions which are likely to be broken (understand VMware has a beta that works with Leopard). My guess is thats is the power users (IE Geeks) who will likely run into the most problems as most day-to-day applications seem to be running quite well.
Thats my weekend-with-Leopard recap
Oct 29, 2007 | 8:47 am
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3 days later I am having much better results.
In a nutshell I'd say this, 'upgrade in place' is likely to result in problems. I personally think its a flaw that in 2007 I have to say this: backup your system fully, then do wipe and install. If that makes you skiddish, backup and do an archive and install which should preserve your applications, documents and settings.
Once installed, I'd ballpark that 90% of things work, and work very well. While OS X 10.5 isn't likely to make a huge change in how you use and interact with your computer (something I think a major OS upgrade should do) it is a very solid and worthwile upgrade. I am frankly amazed that for $200 (family pack) you can upgrade all (5) of your computers to something that is a fairly complete system ... compare that to Windows Vista Ultimate at $300-$400 which is far from being as complete as OS X and is only valid (locked) to one PC.
Now that said, its the 10% of things that are broken that may really ruin the experience for some users. Both Parallels and VMware rely on kernel extensions which are likely to be broken (understand VMware has a beta that works with Leopard). My guess is thats is the power users (IE Geeks) who will likely run into the most problems as most day-to-day applications seem to be running quite well.
Thats my weekend-with-Leopard recap
In a nutshell I'd say this, 'upgrade in place' is likely to result in problems. I personally think its a flaw that in 2007 I have to say this: backup your system fully, then do wipe and install. If that makes you skiddish, backup and do an archive and install which should preserve your applications, documents and settings.
Once installed, I'd ballpark that 90% of things work, and work very well. While OS X 10.5 isn't likely to make a huge change in how you use and interact with your computer (something I think a major OS upgrade should do) it is a very solid and worthwile upgrade. I am frankly amazed that for $200 (family pack) you can upgrade all (5) of your computers to something that is a fairly complete system ... compare that to Windows Vista Ultimate at $300-$400 which is far from being as complete as OS X and is only valid (locked) to one PC.
Now that said, its the 10% of things that are broken that may really ruin the experience for some users. Both Parallels and VMware rely on kernel extensions which are likely to be broken (understand VMware has a beta that works with Leopard). My guess is thats is the power users (IE Geeks) who will likely run into the most problems as most day-to-day applications seem to be running quite well.
Thats my weekend-with-Leopard recap
Oct 29, 2007 | 2:23 pm
#39
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I've been using the Upgrade in place for the last several versions (as long as I can remember) and haven't had any problems.
This time Leopard did not recognize my hard drive partition when I rebooted, but running disk utility and repair permissions / disk fixed that.
So far everything appears to work but it feels slightly slower after the upgrade to me.
This time Leopard did not recognize my hard drive partition when I rebooted, but running disk utility and repair permissions / disk fixed that.
So far everything appears to work but it feels slightly slower after the upgrade to me.
Oct 29, 2007 | 4:27 pm
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The deal-breaker for me, at this point, is lack of Classic (System 9) support. I still have a few old apps that I don't want to get rid of totally but aren't worth the cost to replace or upgrade. If I ever get desperate for a new Leopard feature, with Time Machine the most likely candidate at this point, I may create multiple partitions, or I might just put off the process until I go Intel and have to lose the System 9 apps for that reason anyhow.
BTW, here are (within what is otherwise a very positive review) Computerworld's "Five reasons not to make the jump to Leopard - yet."
BTW, here are (within what is otherwise a very positive review) Computerworld's "Five reasons not to make the jump to Leopard - yet."
Oct 30, 2007 | 6:42 am
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The deal-breaker for me, at this point, is lack of Classic (System 9) support. I still have a few old apps that I don't want to get rid of totally but aren't worth the cost to replace or upgrade. If I ever get desperate for a new Leopard feature, with Time Machine the most likely candidate at this point, I may create multiple partitions, or I might just put off the process until I go Intel and have to lose the System 9 apps for that reason anyhow.
BTW, here are (within what is otherwise a very positive review) Computerworld's "Five reasons not to make the jump to Leopard - yet."
BTW, here are (within what is otherwise a very positive review) Computerworld's "Five reasons not to make the jump to Leopard - yet."
Efrem - this isn't for the faint of heart, but the SheepShaver project will let you run classic on systems not intended for classic...such as Intel macs...it may be the answer for you
http://theappleblog.com/2006/07/01/c...f-sheepshaver/
Oct 30, 2007 | 7:31 am
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Efrem - this isn't for the faint of heart, but the SheepShaver project will let you run classic on systems not intended for classic...such as Intel macs...it may be the answer for you
http://theappleblog.com/2006/07/01/c...f-sheepshaver/
http://theappleblog.com/2006/07/01/c...f-sheepshaver/
Oct 30, 2007 | 12:28 pm
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Ok... very very nerdy stuff here...
Leopard changes a lot in terms of filesharing:
if you are on a corporate network its kinda broken
if you are a home user, there is some cool stuff under the hood (and tied to .mac)
I'm not even close to anything formal and theres a lot of spelling/gramer errors, but if you are curious (again, not trying to self promot, just needed a centralized place since I'm working with other forums too)
http://tinyurl.com/yuctwy
Leopard changes a lot in terms of filesharing:
if you are on a corporate network its kinda broken
if you are a home user, there is some cool stuff under the hood (and tied to .mac)
I'm not even close to anything formal and theres a lot of spelling/gramer errors, but if you are curious (again, not trying to self promot, just needed a centralized place since I'm working with other forums too)
http://tinyurl.com/yuctwy
Oct 30, 2007 | 6:29 pm
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