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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 8:50 pm
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Companies that use Linux

In the eve, of one of the most incredible and ridiculous meetings that have ever taken place in this earth, I need to ask for some information.

I am basically looking for companies that use Linux. The demented systems manager of the company that I work for, refuses to install Linux on the premises that it is a very risky operating system. He says that due to the fact that is an "open source", it is a risk factor, and that he will not compromise the security of the company


Anyway, I found these places, and it seems that there is a plethora of those out there.

I know that he is completely out of his mind, but what has been your experience with it. What mission critical applications are you using it with.

There are tons of other ludicrous details about this whole ordeal, but it will take 2 or 3 pages to explain

Thanks for your help.
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 9:56 pm
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There is a site called Flyertalk.com that runs on it

here is another excellent list:

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/isp.avg.html

Oh, an BTW, any IT manager that needs convincing on Linux is either mad or has been brainwashed by Sun or Microsoft...


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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 10:11 pm
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Well, he has not only brainwashed, but completely lobotomized.

He is in a power trip of buying a $500,000 Solaris server, without using his existing resources.

We bought a Dell server with 4 Xeon 2 Ghz processors, 8GB RAM, and EMC Clariion CX600 Fibre-Channel storage unit.

And he says that this is a temporary unit

He wants to torpedo the success of it by removing the CX600 and going with 5 new SCSI internal drives, and to top it all off, using a RAID 5 , for databases.

We are all baffled at work.

Tomorrow is a big meeting, and hopefully we can get things back on track.

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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 10:18 pm
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This guy is quite behind the times, or you work at the Amish Foods Cooperative.

Have your manager check out this article in CIO magazine. It talks about _Really Big Companies_ that use Linux. http://www.cio.com/archive/031503/index.html
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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 10:20 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jfe:
We bought a Dell server with 4 Xeon 2 Ghz processors, 8GB RAM, and EMC Clariion CX600 Fibre-Channel storage unit. </font>
EMC's aren't exactly cheap and they are have the poorest performance of aall of the tier 1s.

You can build high-pperformance storage for probably less than the cost of your annual maintenance with EMC.

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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 11:01 pm
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What the hell?

We're a HW design company and have a HUGE Linux compute farm. If this guy thinks Linux is unstable he needs to get a clue... Even Big Blue: IBM, uses Linux for scalable customer solutions.

Anyone looking to deploy NEW Solaris servers should be doing it solely to keep backward compatibility for apps that haven't moved to Linux.
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 11:31 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NickP 1K:
What the hell?

We're a HW design company and have a HUGE Linux compute farm. If this guy thinks Linux is unstable he needs to get a clue... Even Big Blue: IBM, uses Linux for scalable customer solutions.

Anyone looking to deploy NEW Solaris servers should be doing it solely to keep backward compatibility for apps that haven't moved to Linux.
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Oracle is running all of their directly hosted customers on Linux in a big data center in Austin.

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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 12:04 pm
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Well, I just had the meeting from Hell.

He is ready to switch our Windows 2000 Advanced Server to SCO UnixWare.

He never considered Linux as an option, and to top it all of, this is an ERP implementation that has been going on since January, and our Go Live is September 2nd

So, he is going to have a brand new OS, configured, ready to go, with Progress and QAD MFG/PRO installed.

I think it is a great idea, switching the OS of your server 3 weeks before Go Live
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 1:29 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jfe:
I think it is a great idea, switching the OS of your server 3 weeks before Go Live </font>
Especially to SCO. Suckers!
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 2:13 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jfe:
Well, I just had the meeting from Hell.

He is ready to switch our Windows 2000 Advanced Server to SCO UnixWare.

He never considered Linux as an option, and to top it all of, this is an ERP implementation that has been going on since January, and our Go Live is September 2nd

So, he is going to have a brand new OS, configured, ready to go, with Progress and QAD MFG/PRO installed.

I think it is a great idea, switching the OS of your server 3 weeks before Go Live
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Between SCO and Windows I'd pick Windows...

Can't you convince him to use FreeBSD?

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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 2:42 pm
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These people are so narrow minded, that I couldn't sell them a boat even of they were drowning in the middle of the ocean.

I give up. As a consultant I have gone above and beyond the call of duty.

I have make recommendations, presentations and entered into arguments with them.

The reality is that this guy just wants to spend money foolishly.

I am very tired and frustrated.

All I can do is to try to make things as good as I can.

They have made up their minds. They don't want to be confused with the facts
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Wouldn't be shocked if he's getting a kick back from the vendor....
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jfe:
Well, I just had the meeting from Hell.

He is ready to switch our Windows 2000 Advanced Server to SCO UnixWare.

He never considered Linux as an option, and to top it all of, this is an ERP implementation that has been going on since January, and our Go Live is September 2nd

So, he is going to have a brand new OS, configured, ready to go, with Progress and QAD MFG/PRO installed.

I think it is a great idea, switching the OS of your server 3 weeks before Go Live
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That sounds like one helluva recipe for disaster....
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 8:46 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jfe:
[...]The reality is that this guy just wants to spend money foolishly. </font>

Speaking as a CIO, this guy has a fiduciary responsibility to his shareholders, and he isn't holding it up very well. In this economy, nobody is going to look favorably on not doing due dilligence on lower-cost aternatives. Know anybody on the Board of Directors you could approach on the QT?
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 9:03 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NickP 1K:
Wouldn't be shocked if he's getting a kick back from the vendor....</font>
Actually this is not the first time that this has been mentioned. He makes all his purchases from a vendor in Juarez, and outsourcing. All at outrageous prices

He kinda hates me because as soon as I joined this project started to makes purchases and getting bids for goods and services. Always cheaper than his vendor

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by winkydink:

Speaking as a CIO, this guy has a fiduciary responsibility to his shareholders, and he isn't holding it up very well. In this economy, nobody is going to look favorably on not doing due dilligence on lower-cost aternatives. Know anybody on the Board of Directors you could approach on the QT?
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I wish there is something we could do. This is a privately held company, and he is best buddies with the President. Everyone knows he is a real #@#$, but he has way too much power.

Like I told some of the managers there. It is my responsibility that you guys use all your hardware and software in the most efficient way. Maximizing benefits, and making sure that the server serves its useful life. If you guys want to use it as a door stop, that is your prerogative.

Have complained, showed them why their approach is the equivalent of me crying "Iceberg, straight ahead", and the captain of the Titanic, doesn't even care, and increases speed.

One of the most frustrating situations ever.

And as a consultant I shouldn't care. But it is hard for me to do so.

I care for the results of my work.

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