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CheckInPeach Sep 8, 2024 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by MADPhil (Post 36510767)
If you have WiFi calling you can then turn on WiFi and use the phone without using cellular service.

I would not generalize that. To my experience, Wifi Calling only works in the region the provider wants it to work. In my case, I have two Swiss providers, same with both, Wifi Calling only works when I'm on a Wifi network in Switzerland. After all, providers want to make some money with roaming...

MADPhil Sep 8, 2024 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by CheckInPeach (Post 36510784)
I would not generalize that. To my experience, Wifi Calling only works in the region the provider wants it to work. In my case, I have two Swiss providers, same with both, Wifi Calling only works when I'm on a Wifi network in Switzerland. After all, providers want to make some money with roaming...

True, with Consumer Cellular you have to make sure that WiFi calling is on and international roaming is on and, at least in the UK, it then works with the calls billed as if made in the US. I should probably also specify iPhone SE 2nd. generation and latest iOS! Consumer Cellular are good enough to recommend that you do it this way to save on roaming charges, although their roaming rate for calls is quite reasonable. The data rate is not.

TGarza Sep 8, 2024 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by CheckInPeach (Post 36510784)
I would not generalize that. To my experience, Wifi Calling only works in the region the provider wants it to work. In my case, I have two Swiss providers, same with both, Wifi Calling only works when I'm on a Wifi network in Switzerland. After all, providers want to make some money with roaming...


US providers including the cheap MVNO’s don’t have geo restrictions. I was aware some Middle East, New Zealand and Australian providers have geo restrictions but none in Europe. Is this a provider or government restriction? Have you tried a VPN to bypass the geo restriction?

TGarza Sep 8, 2024 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by frappant (Post 36508584)
You pay a premium over local SIMs for the convenience.
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$30 USD for a 2 week trip to Germany isn’t much of a premium over a local esim.

frappant Sep 9, 2024 5:24 am


Originally Posted by TGarza (Post 36510842)
$30 USD for a 2 week trip to Germany isn’t much of a premium over a local esim.

True.

Some markets like Germany and Switzerland are more expensive than neighboring Italy.

France is also relatively pricey compared to Spain and Italy and the UK.

In fact I would say that Euro eSIMs are competitive in these cases to bundles in Germany and Switzerland.

I'm completing a trip to 4 countries over 2-3 weeks and I'm using the Orange Euro eSIM for which I paid €40.

Great 5G speeds in Stockholm, Helsinki, Berlin and Copenhagen. I will use about 60-70 GB of the 100 GB which is included. I've used all of the 5 GB of the T-Mobile high speed roaming that comes with my plan, even though most of the time I tethered my iPhone to my iPad when I was outside the hotels.

Most of the hotels had fast wifi but a couple either had slow wifi or they had different tiers, free tier at 10 Mbps or slightly slower or you could pay for faster speeds.

That is when this eSIM was a lifeline.

Hopefully they do this offer next summer, as normally you only get 50 GB for the same price.

I didn't really look into local SIMs in each of these countries but given the high costs of almost everything else, I would guess that Sweden and Denmark would have really expensive prepaid data.

Hornetcoach Sep 9, 2024 8:04 am

Typically for 2 weeks in Europe I will buy 5GB, use a little over 3GB and expect to pay around $15-20 for that. That is sufficient data for normal travel purposes, Maps, Google, TripAdvisor etc.

paperwastage Sep 9, 2024 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by Hornetcoach (Post 36512560)
Typically for 2 weeks in Europe I will buy 5GB, use a little over 3GB and expect to pay around $15-20 for that. That is sufficient data for normal travel purposes, Maps, Google, TripAdvisor etc.

That's expensive. Esim roaming in EU should be $1-$2 /GB.

BNE sim has *noexpiry 5GB Europe(37 country) for $11

*Until either your phone or the company gives up

frappant Sep 9, 2024 10:02 pm

5 GB is okay for maps and light browsing.

Not enough for streaming any kind of media. Sure you can disconnect during vacation but a lot of places there’s so much ambient noise that I can’t imagine not having my AirPod Pros so I might as well listen to podcasts or music on noisy trains or buses, as well as of course on long flights.

And as I noted, you never know what kind of hotel WiFi you get. I’ve been in places where it’s fine in the middle of the afternoon but after dinner time or in the mornings when people get up, hotel WiFi becomes unusable. That is when you want a ton of data, not just for the phone but your laptop and iPad.

Most of the eSiM offerings are for a few gigs for 7, 14 or 30 days. But hopefully that’s starting to change with products like the Orange Euro eSIM.

Marschel Sep 10, 2024 3:40 am


Originally Posted by TGarza (Post 36510828)
US providers including the cheap MVNO’s don’t have geo restrictions. I was aware some Middle East, New Zealand and Australian providers have geo restrictions but none in Europe. Is this a provider or government restriction?

It's a provider restriction. Vodafone Germany has this restriction as well. I'm sure there are more European operators which are restristicting Wi-Fi Calling .Also South Korean operators do this too. So add Asia to your list.

Originally Posted by Hornetcoach (Post 36512560)
Typically for 2 weeks in Europe I will buy 5GB, use a little over 3GB and expect to pay around $15-20 for that. That is sufficient data for normal travel purposes, Maps, Google, TripAdvisor etc.

I envy people consuming that low amount of data. For me it's like at least 1-2 GB a day when abroad. :D But I won't pay $3-4 per GB. More like $1-1.5. ;)

TGarza Sep 10, 2024 7:23 am


Originally Posted by Marschel (Post 36514604)
It's a provider restriction. Vodafone Germany has this restriction as well. I'm sure there are more European operators which are restristicting Wi-Fi Calling .Also South Korean operators do this too. So add Asia to your list.

I have had to verify my ID for Asia and the Middle East before purchasing an esim,

What is the Swiss roaming rates outside the WiFi calling areas? My US plan charges $12 per day with taxes which is too much for a vacation. That’s why I use a local esim for WiFi calling, communication apps and maps.

Hornetcoach Sep 10, 2024 7:35 am


Originally Posted by paperwastage (Post 36514110)
That's expensive. Esim roaming in EU should be $1-$2 /GB.

BNE sim has *noexpiry 5GB Europe(37 country) for $11

*Until either your phone or the company gives up

Do you have any experience with BNE Sim? I don’t. My next trip is to Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, next month. BNE is much cheaper than Airalo for Croatia but much more expensive for Bosnia. Bosnia/Herzegovina is not covered in most Europe plans so I will buy two separate eSims, one for Croatia, 1 for Bosnia. $13 each on Airalo for 5B but I won’t need 5GB for both countries, maybe 3B for each. I haven’t really started shopping yet, just looked at the price this morning.

paperwastage Sep 10, 2024 8:28 am


Originally Posted by Hornetcoach (Post 36515005)
Do you have any experience with BNE Sim? I don’t. My next trip is to Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, next month. BNE is much cheaper than Airalo for Croatia but much more expensive for Bosnia. Bosnia/Herzegovina is not covered in most Europe plans so I will buy two separate eSims, one for Croatia, 1 for Bosnia. $13 each on Airalo for 5B but I won’t need 5GB for both countries, maybe 3B for each. I haven’t really started shopping yet, just looked at the price this morning.

bnesim Europe (noexpiry) covers Croatia, so would get that if traveling to Europe often.

I've used bnesim in usa. Had a choice of two apns (one that routed to Europe with high ping, one routed to usa with low ping). unsure if youll get two options in EU, but my guess is it'll work ok.

Bnesim, you can use my referral code and get $7 $5 off (I get $7 too $2 - 986SNP3F



This is $5.54 for 30 day 5GB for Bosnia and Herzegovina. Haven't tried them though. You could try the $1.71/1GB 7 days and see how it goes, it's cheap enough

https://www.esim4travel.com/bosnia-a...-esim?p=ESIMDB.

airalo's regional Europe plan covers Bosnia .. depends how much you use I guess ($4/GB for one esim vs $1-2/GB but hsve to juggle different eSIMs but then BNEsim data won't expire so you won't lose the remaining data).

Hornetcoach Sep 10, 2024 11:05 am

Thanks for that information. I will look into it.

paperwastage Sep 10, 2024 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by Hornetcoach (Post 36515505)
Thanks for that information. I will look into it.

https://www.esim4travel.com/europe-esim?p=ESIMDB

Esim4travel's Europe 7day 1GB is absurdly cheap at $0.85... BNEsim Europe 30day 1GB (auto renewal) is $0.99... again, along the lines of $1-2/GB in EU

Bnesim says they have auto refill option, haven't tried it though

If you travel to Europe often enough and don't mind juggling a little
1) bnesim noexpiry 5GB $10.89 minus $7 referral 986SNP3F = $3.89. 3GB $6.75 minus $5 referral 986SNP3F = $1.75
2) bnesim europe 30day or esim4travel europe 7day 1GB for <$1.
3) esim4travel Bosnia+Herzegovina

Keep (1) as backup esim, use (2/3).. if you run out of data on (2), or transiting through Europe, or having a layover, or having problems with (2), use (1)

Buy/topup (2/3) as needed

​​​​​​Noexpiry is twice the price of expire-able data. Probably not worth buying noexpiry in the long term vs the cheap 1GB versions?

Hornetcoach Sep 10, 2024 6:36 pm

You are right, those prices are absurdly cheap, so there is almost nothing to lose by trying them. Thanks.


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