Microsoft Surface Pro trashed by CNN
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But it does make a satisfying click. Or seems to, based on the commercial.
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At least the GUI is designed for this form factor which it isn't for a desktop, that's a positive for you on that point.
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weight, a 4.5 hour battery life, suboptimal portrait orientation, and confusing modern/classic UI experience.
And FWIW; my three units arrived today (amazingly), still find the whole process very poorly managed.
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Well, that was fast. After a little over an hour, I'm already fed up with Surface Pro.
Chrome doesn't work in Desktop mode, only in Windows 8 mode, and there is no easy way to access the on-screen keyboard in that mode.
It gets HOT
The screen resolution sounds nice, but it is totally useless for getting actual work done. Apps are all too small, so you scale, which then of course makes the whole high res screen useless. Typical spec over usability.
The pen, while nice, tends to switch between tap and drag mode on its own
On-screen keyboard doesn't pop up on its own in any apps (may just be a setting)
Pre-installed office doesn't like my MSDN keys.
I'm sure I'm still annoyed by the shipping and wasting money on RT, but this still isn't a solid product. I'm happier with my cheap Asus Vivobook - it just works and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.
$1200 well spent.
Chrome doesn't work in Desktop mode, only in Windows 8 mode, and there is no easy way to access the on-screen keyboard in that mode.
It gets HOT
The screen resolution sounds nice, but it is totally useless for getting actual work done. Apps are all too small, so you scale, which then of course makes the whole high res screen useless. Typical spec over usability.
The pen, while nice, tends to switch between tap and drag mode on its own
On-screen keyboard doesn't pop up on its own in any apps (may just be a setting)
Pre-installed office doesn't like my MSDN keys.
I'm sure I'm still annoyed by the shipping and wasting money on RT, but this still isn't a solid product. I'm happier with my cheap Asus Vivobook - it just works and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.
$1200 well spent.
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Well, with all due respect, "patching" is something all devices have to deal with. Didn't iOS just get another update? Updates for Windows are pretty non intrusive nowadays. Also, viruses really are a thing of the past for any well educated user or a basic user who just turns on the included Windows Defender.
iOS was just patched, one model (the iPhone 4s) and the patch was a 23mb file. a far cry from the hundreds of mb needed to be downloaded on "Patch Tuesday" every month for Windows myriad of issues. Microsoft! START OVER!!! Stop spending money on goofy ads and pay for the top apps to be ported to RT!
Yes - with those points I'll agree, but they are par for the course if you want a "real" computer on the go. I hope they come out with some kind of keyboard/battery system very soon.
And FWIW; my three units arrived today (amazingly), still find the whole process very poorly managed.
And FWIW; my three units arrived today (amazingly), still find the whole process very poorly managed.
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I think a PC+ Tablet is a better combo than an 'all in one'. And if you pick the right combo (like a Macbook Air and an iPad or your Vivobook and an KindleHD or Nexus 7/10) you don't have to live with compromise. Pick the right tool for the job.
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I wanted one for work - seems almost perfect for travelling. I dock my laptop at my home office so I have a full desktop setup when needed and where I think this would be ideal is in a similar situation.
Will need easy docking options but... Full Desktop, Tablet and Hybrid all in a small portable form factor.
That said... Would not get one as not unhappy with the laptop.
Will need easy docking options but... Full Desktop, Tablet and Hybrid all in a small portable form factor.
That said... Would not get one as not unhappy with the laptop.
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For those smart enough to turn on defender and set autoupdate.
iOS was just patched, one model (the iPhone 4s) and the patch was a 23mb file. a far cry from the hundreds of mb needed to be downloaded on "Patch Tuesday" every month for Windows myriad of issues. Microsoft! START OVER!!! Stop spending money on goofy ads and pay for the top apps to be ported to RT!
Glad they got there.
iOS was just patched, one model (the iPhone 4s) and the patch was a 23mb file. a far cry from the hundreds of mb needed to be downloaded on "Patch Tuesday" every month for Windows myriad of issues. Microsoft! START OVER!!! Stop spending money on goofy ads and pay for the top apps to be ported to RT!
Glad they got there.
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Well, that was fast. After a little over an hour, I'm already fed up with Surface Pro.
Chrome doesn't work in Desktop mode, only in Windows 8 mode, and there is no easy way to access the on-screen keyboard in that mode.
It gets HOT
The screen resolution sounds nice, but it is totally useless for getting actual work done. Apps are all too small, so you scale, which then of course makes the whole high res screen useless. Typical spec over usability.
The pen, while nice, tends to switch between tap and drag mode on its own
On-screen keyboard doesn't pop up on its own in any apps (may just be a setting)
Pre-installed office doesn't like my MSDN keys.
I'm sure I'm still annoyed by the shipping and wasting money on RT, but this still isn't a solid product. I'm happier with my cheap Asus Vivobook - it just works and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.
$1200 well spent.
Chrome doesn't work in Desktop mode, only in Windows 8 mode, and there is no easy way to access the on-screen keyboard in that mode.
It gets HOT
The screen resolution sounds nice, but it is totally useless for getting actual work done. Apps are all too small, so you scale, which then of course makes the whole high res screen useless. Typical spec over usability.
The pen, while nice, tends to switch between tap and drag mode on its own
On-screen keyboard doesn't pop up on its own in any apps (may just be a setting)
Pre-installed office doesn't like my MSDN keys.
I'm sure I'm still annoyed by the shipping and wasting money on RT, but this still isn't a solid product. I'm happier with my cheap Asus Vivobook - it just works and doesn't pretend to be something it isn't.
$1200 well spent.
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