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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by Coathanger
there just isn't a wow-factor or killer feature to compel me to upgrade.
Yeah, but its good to know what my next Nano will look like after I leave my current Nano on some airplane.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 4:07 pm
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Does the store in iTunes 10 work?
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by gglave
Unlike nanos, touches, shuffles and their ilk, the 'classics' have hard drives in them...

http://gadgetress.freedomblogging.co...probably/1492/

...that both allows their large capacity but also limits how 'thin' they can go.
Understood, but Apple seems to have abandoned the Classic -- there have been no significant changes in 5 years.

I don't understand the appeal of the other iPod products. I love my Classic because (1) it holds my entire music collection, and (2) its batteries last long enough so I can listen to it continuously on a 16-hour transpac flight. I have no interest in a product that holds a limited amount of music and whose batteries won't support my flying habits.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 7:06 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
Understood, but Apple seems to have abandoned the Classic -- there have been no significant changes in 5 years.

I don't understand the appeal of the other iPod products. I love my Classic because (1) it holds my entire music collection, and (2) its batteries last long enough so I can listen to it continuously on a 16-hour transpac flight. I have no interest in a product that holds a limited amount of music and whose batteries won't support my flying habits.
In that case, what do/did you want them to change about it?
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 7:09 pm
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In that case, what do/did you want them to change about it?
For starters, more storage and a bigger screen, so I can take videos with me, too.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
For starters, more storage and a bigger screen, so I can take videos with me, too.
???

On my classic I have, amongst other things, the entire West Wing series - Over 150 episodes. Only takes about 30 gigs of space on the gadget.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Coathanger
I remember the good old days when iPod was Apple's halo product and the speculation threads on FT would run into the hundreds of posts before each new release.

My first iPod was an original Mini, then the original Nano and finally the original Touch.

While there have been quite a few enhancements in this announcement there just isn't a wow-factor or killer feature to compel me to upgrade.
To me, the wow factor is in the price. $229 for an 8GB device with two cameras, a hi-res screen and the kind of apps Apple has to offer is just an insane bargain. I paid over $600 for my first iPod (imported into Europe for me the week it came out). For all the complaining I do about Apple, I have to thank them for what they have done to the mobile player market.

After all these years, there still isn't a company in the world that has made anything that can compete with the iPod touch. I *still* think the Zune HD is better for music, but as an allround device, the Touch is king.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by gglave
???

On my classic I have, amongst other things, the entire West Wing series - Over 150 episodes. Only takes about 30 gigs of space on the gadget.
I didn't realize video would compress down that far. Well, that's good. Now, if only there was a larger screen to view video on.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 12:44 am
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I applaud Steve Jobs for the refresh of the iPod line.

I think it was wrong to do away with the iPod shuffle buttons and correct for Jobs to put it back on the shuffle. My SO used the previous gen where it was voice activated and she said it was a pain at times to control.

I am surprised that Jobs has not reinsated the 16 GB iPod Touch. However, that's not going to deter me from buying one in the near future, as my 6th gen iPod classic's battery is starting to fade.

I think that his transition for the iPod nano to go smaller and to get rid of the click wheel shows that he is transitioning from the signature click wheel to the signature Apple touch screen (I'm pretty sure Jobs will discontinue to the iPod classic soon). I can praise him for avoiding recycling old products and calling them new. Call me biased but IMO the iPad is a recycled gigantic iPod touch with a lot of disadvantages.

I have no comment on the iPod TV.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 12:49 am
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I was very disappointed by the iPod Touch camera. I was hoping it would have a decent camera, for uploads to facebook, etc. That way it could be a camera replacement.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
Understood, but Apple seems to have abandoned the Classic -- there have been no significant changes in 5 years.
the ipod classic doesn't sell that well, most users don't need nor want anywhere near that much space and a hard drive (with moving parts) is less reliable than flash. there aren't a whole lot of changes that can be made either; the thickness and size of the ipod is governed by the hard drive inside.

I don't understand the appeal of the other iPod products.
the appeal is the physical size of the device and the various colours. most users don't fill the ipods as it is, so the higher capacity units aren't in high demand.

when apple came out with the 4 gig ipod mini, it outsold the regular ipod which was only $50 more and 5 times the capacity. when apple replaced the ipod mini with the flash based ipod nano that had even less capacity (1 & 2 gig initially), it sold even better than the mini did.

the nano, which now tops out at 16 gig, was the best selling ipod until recently. now it's the ipod touch, largely because it can do a lot of other things too (games, email, web surfing, social networking, reference apps, etc.).

there are definitely users who want large capacity players, but they're in the minority so the focus is elsewhere in the product line.

I love my Classic because (1) it holds my entire music collection, and (2) its batteries last long enough so I can listen to it continuously on a 16-hour transpac flight. I have no interest in a product that holds a limited amount of music and whose batteries won't support my flying habits.
the latest ipod touch will last for 40 hours of audio or 7 hours of video and an ipad will last for 140 hours of audio and 10-12 hours of video (or games or whatever else).

on the other hand, the capacity of either one is quite a bit less than with an ipod classic. however, itunes 9.1 and later supports transcoding to 128 kb aac on the fly when syncing, which can save a lot of space if your music library is encoded at a higher bit rate. i don't notice a difference in sound quality, certainly not on an airplane. the first time you sync after activating this option will take a long time (especially if you have 100+ gig of music) but after that it only needs to transcode the songs that changed. if your library changes very little or not at all, it's basically a one time hit to make the change.
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Old Sep 5, 2010 | 10:09 pm
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Weird eh - it does HD video, but only VGA quality photos. Like they crippled it on purpose...
It shoots pictures at the exact same resolution as it shoots video. I don't see why this has been such a big issue for so many people. Go buy a real camera already that has a sensor that can actually take in enough light to be practical for all but close up or really bright pictures.




Also my take on the Apple TV is that they are too late to the game. My TV and my Blu-Ray can all play Netflix or Amazon natively (and this doesn't seem to be a trend that is lightening up). Why would I spend more money on another device just so I can have access to the iTunes library and store? They would have to do something very revolutionary to the iTunes business model (think subscription pricing) before I would get an Apple TV. Amazon now has the 99 cent TV episodes and those are not even rental, you can watch as many times as you please.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 2:05 am
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Originally Posted by mjcewl1284
I think it was wrong to do away with the iPod shuffle buttons and correct for Jobs to put it back on the shuffle. My SO used the previous gen where it was voice activated and she said it was a pain at times to control.
When the new gen came out without the buttons I hurridley bought a few of the previous gen. The lack of the clip was a killer for me. I still have one 2GB shuffle left so I doubt I'll be grabbing up this new shuffle any time soon. But I'm glad they reverted back to the great design.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by adambadam
It shoots pictures at the exact same resolution as it shoots video. I don't see why this has been such a big issue for so many people. Go buy a real camera already that has a sensor that can actually take in enough light to be practical for all but close up or really bright pictures.


Really, this is worthy of rolleyes? I have a "real" camera. In fact, I have 5 of them. But I enjoy the flexibility of being able to take photos when I don't carry my camera with me.

It isn't "a big issue", it is just something that annoys me and I wish Apple had put a better sensor in the new iPod Touch.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 10:59 am
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I don't understand why they don't have a Nano with 32 GB of memory. It's 2010, people!

I'm quite content with my Nexus One and its expandable storage, thank you very much. The convenience of having only one device to carry with me wins out, no matter how pretty Apple's hardware.
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