I ran into this problem with the iPod Touch/iPhone, and am pleased to report that there's an app that specifically addresses this issue--and it's about to be released for Android. The app is WunderRadio, which elegantly delivers the comprehensive RadioTime radio streaming directory, presenting streams in a way that spares you from having to deal with cross-platform format issues and URL's. Yes, I can listen to WMA-originating streams on an iPod Touch/iPhone without having to think about conversions.

I own this product for both the iPod Touch and WinMo platforms and couldn't be happier with it. Once it's released for Android, that will probably motivate me to move to Android, as well.

FWIW, I get pretty much the entire BBC body of streaming radio, not to mention every other station around the world that I can think of.

News flash :p

People are complaining about Google's total lack of customer support. Gee Whiz a company where everything was free and their response to problems was "what do you expect for free, we give you what you paid for" is suddenly in the position where people who paid $500 for a phone expect something better than a way to e-mail for a 48 hour response. What a surprise! From reports there is no way to call them.

Imagine being on a business trip, having your phone go bad and to then expect a response via e-mail (which may or may not provide a solution) 48 hours later.

When I first started this thread, what I found the most interesting was not the hardware, or even the software. It was the fact that google was entering the 'retail world' - into a business they had no real experience in the past....

You're right, they didn't prepare properly and now not only they are suffering. And that's unfortunate, because google's concept of selling direct and not rely on the network carriers is good for the consumer. Hopefully long term this will still be the way to go.

Same here - several family plan lines out of contract, and a loyal Android user since day one. But apparently I'm not interesting enough for them.

Does total cost matter?

Overall, the unsubsidized phone is the better deal, because the subsidy is worth less than the $480 ($20 per month) it will cost you over the 2 year contract.

The subsidized phone is $179. (or $229 or $279 for some existing t-mo customers). The unsubsidized phone is $529. So you save $130 over 2 years by paying for the phone up-front.

What's the issue with porting your number or the family plans? You can't keep the old plan?

-David

I'm coming up with $370 in savings over 24 months with the unlocked. If I'm doing this right, looks like you can get service without a contract for $50/month on an individual plan.

Even More Plus 500 Talk + Text (unlimited) = $39.99
Unlimited Web = $10 (add as extra service, not in package)
T-Mobile SIM Card = $0

Total = $49.99. Note if you select the Even More with Text and Web it ends up being $10 more than adding the Web alone. This is probably the difference between my calculation and LIH's.

$530 + ($50 X 24) = $1730 (Unlocked)
$180 + ($80 X 24) = $2100 (Contract)
Difference = $370 (probably more when you figure in taxes)

Only question is do you need a "special" data package for the android? I see the call it Android Web in the information for the contract deal on the google website.

It matters to me - I'm on a grandfathered plan with cheap(er) Android data :)

Plus, I'm already at five lines, so I can't do an indiv. and port it into the family plan as the max is 5.

Not too mention T-Mo is the only one with UMA... that is a big reason why I chose to stick with T-Mo instead of going to AT&T.

I also considered the disadvantage of the 1700MHz being a predominantly US frequency only, but then again, it has wifi, which will help me browse the web when I'm connected to an access point when traveling outside the US.

Is Nexus One an UMA enabled phone? I didn't see that in the specs....

I think they are both unlocked. the difference is contract vs no contract as far as I can tell.

If you compare apples to apples, etc, you should see exactly $20 difference between the equivalent Even More (2 year contract plan) vs Even More Plus (no contract plan). I have no idea if you can get away with the $10 add-on instead. When I tried ala carte selection of the plan first, then an android phone on t-mobile's web site, it made me change the emp + text to emp + text + web plan with a pop up box.

I guess you can go check the Howard Forums to see if anybody has done it your way and gotten away with it.

-David

I really like the Nexus one but until they release a next generation Android device in my favorite form factor, I will stick to my HTC Tilt 2 as it does everything I need.

Why I switched from the iPhone 3GS to an unlocked Nexus One (on AT&T's EDGE network, no less):

-it is unlocked (SIM portability, especially on international travels)
-replaceable battery
-expandable/replaceable storage via micro SD
-the lustful AMOLED screen
-seamlessly integrated Google Voice
-free satellite navigation/GPS (eliminates the need for Garmin/Tomtom)
-the most powerful processor in a smartphone thus far (1 ghz snapdragon)
-better-quality camera, WITH flash
-even on EDGE, it seems to run faster than my iPhone on 3G (probably due to AT&T's clogged 3G network)
-sexy form factor

Discounts for TMO clients
 

According to variety of sources, total sales in week one is around 20,000 units. And it looks like discounting has started: http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8573

No. As of now, UMA is not supported in Android. It's also unknown for certain whether any of the current Android hardware, including Nexus one, would support UMA if software support were added down the road.

There are some suggestions in various online forums that UMA for Android is in the works, however there 's also a fair amount of speculation that TMO is moving away from UMA altogether (this would be unfortunate).

I asked TMO about all this and their response was to send me this link: http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Covera...ght/true#M1074

Please don't ask me to explain - I asked them why this link and haven't received a response.

I totally agree on this...UMA is the only competitive edge that TMO has over the other carriers. I try to keep my BB in good shape simply for fear newer BB will not carry the uma feature.