RichMSN

It's easy to be collegial when everyone is on the same page and is getting along.

bdschobel

Yes, it is. But we have no control over who gets elected, and a person who decides to be disruptive may well succeed in that goal.

Bruce

tcook052

Indeed as you've repeatedly demonstrated. The irony is the reaction is far worse than the action.

bdschobel

I disagree, but that's OK.

Bruce

CMK10

If TalkBoard is irrelevant and unnecessary why do you spend so much of your time here criticizing our actions?

tcook052

I see so TB members can choose to ignore TB Guidelines they don't like if there are personality conflicts you're saying. Why amend TB Guidelines then if they aren't to be followed?

bdschobel

Nobody has ignored, as you suggest, Talkboard guidelines. Civility does not equal never ever disagreeing. You need to examine your own standards.

Bruce

kokonutz

IMHO, the reaction to the 'working to the book' behavior has been muted and relatively civil: we groused a bit then changed the book so that working to it would be less disruptive. @:-)^

Same as the TB did last time one of its members was purposefully gumming up the works.

IMHO and YMMV!

nsx

That's a hazard we all need to consider, especially if the problem is likely to continue.

I encountered an extreme example two days ago in real life. At a store an obviously mentally ill customer was berating the check-out clerk incomprehensibly. The clerk said nothing in response, finally handing the customer the receipt saying "Have a nice day". The customer left, muttering more complaints nobody could understand.

Had the clerk engaged in any debate the argument would probably have escalated, possibly requiring summoning the police. This way the situation ended as well as it could have. It was unpleasant for the clerk and for other customers like me, but it did not become dangerous.

The point is that sometimes quietly tolerating a tense situation is actually the best you can do.

tcook052

I'd suggest you need to examine yours as the TB Guidelines specifically prohibit the kind of conduct you've engaged in numerous times in the last year. It should be up to the rest of TB to act when it's codes of conduct are not followed.

Completely agree that the reaction must not always have to be equal to or greater than the action.

dchristiva

Guess I should prepare myself to be a one-term member, as I don't plan to stop calling out TB members who fail to live up to their responsibilities to the membership. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. TB members should be held accountable. If that involves snarkiness or name calling, I won't apologize. I expect the same coming back to me. If I don't vote on an issue or find a way to hold a TB/FT process hostage, I would want someone to call me out publicly and make the membership aware of my actions.

I'm for 100% transparency and accountability. I'm on record as wishing there was no private TB forum (but understand that's never going to happen). I will vote for others who share this view. Clearly several candidates do not.

tcook052

Completely agree.

Completely disagree. Perhaps you can explain given what's clearly written in the TB Guidelines as to member terms of conduct why you feel it necessary to resort to name calling and snark.

bdschobel

When a TalkBoard member is being intentionally disruptive and "gumming up the works," as I have said, then the general membership has a right to know what is causing delays and other problems. That is not the same at all as "name-calling." I confess that some of us became a bit snarky when publicly (and privately) discussing the situation. I am not going to defend snarkiness, obviously, but can we please stop acting like TalkBoard members are delicate flowers who shrivel up and die at the slightest criticism? We are big boys and girls. We can -- and have -- dealt with this situation. It has had no perceptible impact on FlyerTalk in general. As far as I can tell, all of this complaining is essentially politicking: attempting to impugn the character of certain TalkBoard candidates. That's undeserved.

Bruce

dchristiva

Exactly. "Resort". It's not a starting point. Fail to vote without communicating why or hold a process hostage and I'm going to convey that action to the membership and call you out for it. Because that's what it deserves. TB members have taken on a clearly defined role. We all know what the job entails on the front end. Can't do it? Don't run? Can't do it after you've taken on the job? Resign and let someone else do the job. It's really simple.

There's a huge difference between random snark for no reason and being called on the carpet for shirking one's duty. That's part of being a team. Again, I want to be held to the same standard. If I don't pull my weight, tell me and the membership in no uncertain terms.

I sense that there's a lot of thin skin on the part of some folks running for office this year. What I want to know is, what are the newcomers planning to do if the perceived snark and name calling persist?

RichMSN

Hold on a second. I thought there was to be no electioneering here.

(1) I would've eliminated the private forum years ago. Not my decision.

(2) The amendment that recently passed solved any perceived problem.

(3) What's the point of piling on the existing member, especially since that member is not up for re-election?