Voting Ended / Motion Passed: Creation of a Smoking Section
Jul 2, 2015, 5:49 pm
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Going on the XXX forum and hoping that traveler who just come back/ lives there and has the info will see your message- less useful.
But I mean I can just google it too...
Jul 2, 2015, 6:15 pm
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Jul 2, 2015, 6:51 pm
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Yes to Forum
As a long time smoker, I vote YES to creating such a forum. However, as a courtesy to others, please do not smoke while in the forum.
Jul 2, 2015, 7:35 pm
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Oppose
Oppose. Why facilitate or foster bad behavior? Otherwise, why not a section for supporting undisciplined children, or people who don't like to bath, or people who like to get drunk, unruly, or pass out on planes requiring a medical response,..............?
Jul 2, 2015, 7:48 pm
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Why do we need a separate forum for this?
What's next? A separate ping-pong forum so that people who are interested in finding a place to play ping-pong in Los Angeles can post in that forum instead of the existing Los Angeles forum?
I have no problems with new forums being created for topics that cannot be addressed in existing forums. Questions like "Can I smoke at the Starwood property in <xyz>?" can be addressed in existing forums.
If new forums are added for every single topic, it'll soon be very hard to navigate FT.
Jul 2, 2015, 8:56 pm
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My only problem with that is that with only two exceptions, any post asking where smoking is completely banned would have to be answered with hundreds of posts.
Just asking where in New York City you can find a hotel which does not allow smoking would require several hundred answers and in the rare exceptions where a hotel does permit it, it is restricted to a single floor.
Restaurants? In most cities there is no smoking allowed indoors. We certainly are not going to list every restaurant in a city.
The two exceptions I mentioned are casinos and restaurants with outdoor smoking areas. In Las Vegas, I don't know of a single casino which does not allow smoking (there might be some exceptions as I haven't been to every casino) and in Europe casinos tend to have separate smoking areas, generally on different floors.
Local residents, who are generally not familiar with hotels in their city, do tend to know about outdoor smoking at restaurants and the situation at the local casinos. You would probably be more apt to get specific information in a local forum than you would in the smokers forum.
I mentioned in another post that I wouldn't be able to tell you what hotels in Israel allow smoking as it has been at least a decade since I stayed at any hotel in the country. I do know that it is a minority of hotels.
On the other hand, as a local resident I know that any restaurant which has an outdoor area allows smoking in it -- despite an attempt a few years ago to have smoking banned at outdoor tables.
Just asking where in New York City you can find a hotel which does not allow smoking would require several hundred answers and in the rare exceptions where a hotel does permit it, it is restricted to a single floor.
Restaurants? In most cities there is no smoking allowed indoors. We certainly are not going to list every restaurant in a city.
The two exceptions I mentioned are casinos and restaurants with outdoor smoking areas. In Las Vegas, I don't know of a single casino which does not allow smoking (there might be some exceptions as I haven't been to every casino) and in Europe casinos tend to have separate smoking areas, generally on different floors.
Local residents, who are generally not familiar with hotels in their city, do tend to know about outdoor smoking at restaurants and the situation at the local casinos. You would probably be more apt to get specific information in a local forum than you would in the smokers forum.
I mentioned in another post that I wouldn't be able to tell you what hotels in Israel allow smoking as it has been at least a decade since I stayed at any hotel in the country. I do know that it is a minority of hotels.
On the other hand, as a local resident I know that any restaurant which has an outdoor area allows smoking in it -- despite an attempt a few years ago to have smoking banned at outdoor tables.
In my post, I was thinking more of countries where smoking is ubiquitous. If most hotels have smoking rooms, it isn't unreasonable to ask for those that are 100% nonsmoking or to inquire about ventilation systems and whether the hotel enforces hallways and elevators as nonsmoking zones.
BTW, it's not universal that outdoor cafes allow smoking. Some jurisdictions don't--for example, at least some communities in California have had such rules in place for a long time.
Jul 2, 2015, 10:41 pm
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After reading some of the posts in this thread, I now wholeheartedly support a smokers' forum. No one needs to be berated on FT for what is currently a legal habit. As any misbehaving child can tell you, telling people what they can't do or that it's bad (or that they are somehow insane) does nothing to stop the behavior.
Moreover, as a committed nonsmoker, I want to ensure that smokers know where they can smoke--which is as far as possible from me!
Moreover, as a committed nonsmoker, I want to ensure that smokers know where they can smoke--which is as far as possible from me!
Jul 3, 2015, 1:15 am
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I was against this idea at first. But, persuasive posts by long time Flyertalks whom I have great respect for changed my mind. What further encouraged me to vote yes is some of the nasty, judgmental posts about the forum. I personally have never had a cigarette. It strikes me as an expensive habit that also makes you smell bad. However, the vitriol expressed here towards people is extremely disappointing and reflects badly on us as a website. I'm glad people who do smoke will have a place they can discuss their issues away from such comments. Frankly, I thought some people were exaggerating at first when they said they needed that, now I see their point.
Jul 3, 2015, 1:22 am
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Support
I fully support this idea.
It doesn't mater if I smoke or not but I think this is a great way to know where to go and where to stay away from.
I have a problem with people being all high and mighty about the use of tobacco products. Just because you don't doesn't mean that all other people share your same view.
The forums should be for open discussion about topics related to the traveling public. And as such some of the traveling public does smoke, vape, chew. Why not be a resource for all travel related questions and information?
It doesn't mater if I smoke or not but I think this is a great way to know where to go and where to stay away from.
I have a problem with people being all high and mighty about the use of tobacco products. Just because you don't doesn't mean that all other people share your same view.
The forums should be for open discussion about topics related to the traveling public. And as such some of the traveling public does smoke, vape, chew. Why not be a resource for all travel related questions and information?
Jul 3, 2015, 2:53 am
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Yes please
I think this would be an excellent idea, as long as it doesn't degenerate into a slanging match between smokers and anti-smokers.
FT is not the place to discuss the rights and wrongs of smoking, but I would argue that it is an appropriate place to ask, for example, where the smoking rooms are at airports.
To those who are opposing the creation of this forum, I would ask one question. What exactly is your objection to smokers being able to discuss this issue between themselves? If you don't like it, don't read it.
By the way, in case you hadn't already guessed, yes I do smoke.
FT is not the place to discuss the rights and wrongs of smoking, but I would argue that it is an appropriate place to ask, for example, where the smoking rooms are at airports.
To those who are opposing the creation of this forum, I would ask one question. What exactly is your objection to smokers being able to discuss this issue between themselves? If you don't like it, don't read it.
By the way, in case you hadn't already guessed, yes I do smoke.
Jul 3, 2015, 3:25 am
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(But as long as this is not yet a post being made on the Smokers Forum, I will take this opportunity to point out that while smoking increases my chances of dying of heart disease or lung cancer, mathematically it has to proportionately decrease my chances of dying of everything else.
(Hence, every time I light up I am protecting myself against being knocked off in an automobile accident or dying of leprosy.)
Jul 3, 2015, 4:57 am
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Interesting way to look at it! The probability of death is 1. Everyone dies from something, if you just wait long enough. All the people who have died from smoking-related diseases over the years would not be alive today if only they hadn't smoked. Most would have died from some other cause.
Anyway, the smokers' forum is not the place to debate the evils of smoking. That's already happening lots of other places outside of FlyerTalk.
Bruce
Anyway, the smokers' forum is not the place to debate the evils of smoking. That's already happening lots of other places outside of FlyerTalk.
Bruce